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Animal dissection
Topic Started: Feb 7 2014, 01:20 PM (3,219 Views)
HENDRIX
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Of course!!! :D


We didn't do anything at school besides pig eyes, university is much more interesting as we do whole animals now :)
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

I'm personally generally morally opposed to killing something just to examine its dead body which then has no further use. Plenty of people have done it already enough to know exactly how the inside of a mouse or any other animal looks that we have computer simulations that have been made to work just as well. It's one thing in university, as you are, if you're studying to become a vet or other which requires knowledge of the animal's internal workings (or if you're dissecting something you'll eat, or is already dead anyway, in that case I think it's awesome), but I find it kinda sad that run-of-the-mill high schools still have real dissections or that so many animals are bred solely for these purposes. It's just a huge waste of life to learn what we already know, in my opinion. :/
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samuel
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that cruelty, poor animals, :( would never do something so horrible in my life >_<
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HENDRIX
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The mice we got were the control group from experiments and were to be killed anyway, and were then gently CO2-suffocated. It's not cruel at all, or at least not as cruel as animal experiments.
I do agree that having whole animal dissections for schools is not appropiate (only few people actually learn something useful there), but parts of domestic animals are fine because they're slaughtered anyway.
Edited by HENDRIX, Feb 10 2014, 01:35 PM.
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Zebrasorus
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At least at my school (I guess I can't necessarily say the same for others) the sharks we dissected were found dead at the beach, rather than bred and then killed for dissection purposes. :P
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And my animals would have been incinerated if not preserved. They're euthanized of old age by previous owners and left for vets to deal with, or die of natural causes.
I did not kill them (besides of invertebrates and snake food)
Also some monkeys are available, 2 vervets, 2 marmosets and 1 tamarin. But they've been cut open by vets so nothing to dissect, just mount the skins and clean the bones :)
Edited by Elephas Maximus, Feb 10 2014, 01:42 PM.
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Zebrasorus
Feb 10 2014, 01:35 PM
At least at my school (I guess I can't necessarily say the same for others) the sharks we dissected were found dead at the beach, rather than bred and then killed for dissection purposes. :P
Did you preserve the sharkies, at least their JAWS?

UPD: Thank you unnamed staff member for the warnings.
Made combined quoting real first!!! I could NOT add the new quote in previous message!!!
Edited by Elephas Maximus, Feb 10 2014, 10:04 PM.
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

Zebrasorus
Feb 10 2014, 01:35 PM
At least at my school (I guess I can't necessarily say the same for others) the sharks we dissected were found dead at the beach, rather than bred and then killed for dissection purposes. :P
Which is exactly what I said I believe acceptable and you (and Elephant AND Henrix whose animals qualify under the same heading) still dislike my posts...
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Zebrasorus
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@Elephant: Yeah they were preserved; I was just talking about how specimens were collected.

@Sheather: I actually prefer using the red button as how it was named. "I do not understand this post." There were some aspects of your post I didn't exactly get, so I thought my response appropriate. :P If we can just watch pictures of a dissection, it would be cheaper for a school to do this rather than buy specimens and dissection tools, so why wouldn't they do that instead? In my opinion, there can be more learned from an actual dissection than a virtual. If nothing else, proper dissection technique (such as how to cut properly and such) is something that might be hard to grasp from just watching a video or viewing pictures.

Using the dissection I did in 7th grade as an example, a video would have been alright, but because we physically did it ourselves, we got to see some unusual things, such as a pregnant shark, and one with fish still in it's stomach. Just my opinion, but there it is. :P
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

Everyone has an opinion.

Mine would be that high school dissections of animals killed soley to be dissected are unnecessary and teach youth that animals are just objects to use for whatever. Very few high school students are mature enough to actually gain anything from the experience of dissection save for the excitement of cutting something open.
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Mastodon28
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Really, dissection should be just for people wanting to become vets or something similar.
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TBH I agree with Sheather. At least it's better than the old days, where students were often required to kill the animals themselves.
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Furka
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I don't agree completely, dissection is also useful for anathomy and other medical studies (afterall not every institute can let students cut open dead Human bodies). Plus, there are also people who are just curious about how an animal is made inside.

EDIT: CI that reminds me of the time my dad had to catch and kill the frogs for his class.
Edited by Furka, Feb 10 2014, 02:29 PM.
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Verdant Gregor
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Fun fact: One of my classmates in my high school biology class attempted to consume a formaldehyde-covered frog liver post-dissection. He ended up spitting it back out and somehow survived the year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's no longer around.
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I don't know about other schools, but we get our organs for dissection from the local butchers, where they would have been cut up and eaten anyway, so no animals were killed solely for the purpose of dissection. I guess that's alright.
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