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Trying To Get Coyote-hating Redneck Hunters....; To see the truth.
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 01:00 PM (6,119 Views)
Furka
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You keep missing the whole point, don't you ?
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Taurotragus
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no im establisting what I think he will do in the near future
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CyborgIguana
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We're just starting another flame war, people. Cool down!
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I don't agree with hunting for food, since its unnecessary (no matter if people claim otherwise) since we have livestock for that

hunting for sport or culls is very different from hunting for food, far less animals are killed in doing so, and no one develops a dependency on killing them

should hunting this species become a problem in the future people can stop, with hunting for food there is more risk people will just claim it as necessity and continue killing even when its become counterproductive
Edited by stargatedalek, Jun 15 2014, 04:49 PM.
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Stephen
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Honestly, I think hunting for food is healthier for us and wild animals definitely had a better life than the livestock we eat. As long as it isn't an endangered species and people obey the laws concerning hunting, it's all fine to me.

And yes, coyotes should be hunted. Not with (unnecessarily cruel) traps, but they are overpopulating and thus need to be culled. Whether they eat pets or not, it's not their fault.
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Captain Phasma
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To be fair to Treebeard, I am almost NEVER on topic. xD But seriously, some of you guys need to read the posts you're responding too before you respond to it. I was super guilty of this in the past, but come on!
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DinoRexChris12753
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Neon you started the flame war by insulting people like me. Us Rednecks kill coyotes because they are dangerous to both and environment and survival of human life. They breed so fast and have such a low juvenile death rate and few natural preditors to reduce the population of coyotes. Most rednecks don't have a tone of money sitting around to trap and relocate to different places. They've killed livestock, pets, and humans before and with their population out of check, it will get worse and worse. I'm all for culling the population of coyotes, they are getting way out of hand like the Canadian goose and starlings. Us Rednecks live out in the wild, away from civilization and we a greater risk of death from wild animals. We are over protective of our lives, our family's lives, and our pets and property, but that is becuase we know what threats they pose and know we don't want animals threatening our and our family's lives, and our pets and livestock. Neon you are coming off as an a*****e to them and us for saying we are wrong for protecting our lives and property.
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CyborgIguana
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I can see your point, and their population definitely needs some trimming down, I just don't think they deserve to be hunted into extinction (not that that's what you're saying).
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Furka
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DinoRexChris12753
Jun 15 2014, 05:29 PM
They breed so fast and have such a low juvenile death rate and few natural preditors to reduce the population of coyotes.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if there were still their natural predators around (cougar, wolves), wouldn't they become another problem ?
Just trying to understand the logic.
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Furka
Jun 15 2014, 05:51 PM
DinoRexChris12753
Jun 15 2014, 05:29 PM
They breed so fast and have such a low juvenile death rate and few natural preditors to reduce the population of coyotes.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if there were still their natural predators around (cougar, wolves), wouldn't they become another problem ?
Just trying to understand the logic.
If I remember correctly the coyotes were at a lower nitch then the wolves and cougars and thus created to survive being at the lower nitch (ie. Higher birth rate, smaller, ex.) The wolves and cougars birth rate is eather lower and or has a higher juvenile death rate to keep them at check. I'm not 100% sure if I'm correct or not I remember reading something like that.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

wolves and cougars were hunted nearly to extinction, coyotes were comparatively ignored and eventually the balance shifted, with not enough larger predators coyote populations exploded

also, who is Neon? xD

also, which species of Canada goose do you mean? I know some are very invasive and others not, just curious
Edited by stargatedalek, Jun 15 2014, 06:26 PM.
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DinoRexChris12753
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stargatedalek
Jun 15 2014, 06:25 PM
wolves and cougars were hunted nearly to extinction, coyotes were comparatively ignored and eventually the balance shifted, with not enough larger predators coyote populations exploded

also, who is Neon? xD

also, which species of Canada goose do you mean? I know some are very invasive and others not, just curious
Neon is treebeard's old name.

They're the brown and white ones with a black head. They're all over cities and have no fear of man and vehicles, and the state I live in makes it illegal to kill them, even if you hit one because one stupid goose decided to walk in front of you while you are going down the highway at 45 mph
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Furka
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That's just one of the many dumb laws about animal killing that exhist.

Anyway, I don't see the predators issue being resolved the old natural way: I highly doubt people would be happy to see apex predators back in the area, since they'd also attack farm animals and even people.
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Kaleb
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That's why the coyotes have to be culled. Humans have taken over the wolves and cougars niches as apex predators and have the responsibility to keep the coyotes population under control.

(Pardon my punctuation, I am using my phone.)
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Manakel
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The best way to not get your heart broken, is pretending you don't have one.

See here's the issue with releasing predators, I'm much more afraid of a cougar then I am a coyote. (If I saw a cougar while I am walking to the garage at night time I might just faint.) But wolves on the other hand usually avoid humans and there wouldn't be quite as many of them. Foxes (Silver, Red and Grey foxes are the ones I'm most common with) don't pose as big as a threat to humans as coyotes do and yet they still eat all the same things except larger animals such as goats and sheep. But, Chickens and Rabbits are still at risk but at least the foxes will leave the larger livestock alone (And their young) so therefore we need more foxes ;)
I'm sorry if this made absolutely no sense but it's what came out of my head.
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