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Trying To Get Coyote-hating Redneck Hunters....; To see the truth.
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 01:00 PM (6,125 Views)
Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

Then how that matter to anyone? Feral cats belong to none. That means they have to live on themselves and become a part in natural food web already. It's a good thing that there are coyotes around to decrease the number of these cats so that they won't become overpopulated and be the threat to native animals like we've concerned... Just take care of "your own" cats and everything is fine.
Edited by Mathius Tyra, Jun 14 2014, 01:33 PM.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

Konner
Jun 14 2014, 01:22 PM
And yet again it was a f***ing mouse that was forgotten while I was away, I know someone here has to be guilty of not feeding their goldfish everyday.
I have no idea about this mouse you speak of
but I am not an idiot, if I fed my goldfish everyday she would kill herself from gluttony xD

I have no problem euthanizing 2000, heck, 100000 feral cats, its not like less coyotes than that are being killed
and its not like feral cats live happy or healthy lives themselves, its doing them (and their would be offspring) a favor if you ask me
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Manakel
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The best way to not get your heart broken, is pretending you don't have one.

Wait, so you're saying Feral cats are being tortured because they don't have a owner to pamper them? That makes no sense. and I would rather have a pack of cats living in my back-yard then a pack of coyotes. You do understand when animals don't have enough food and are starving they will attack humans if they are large enough and trust me, a coyote pack is large enough to kill a entire family of 4 kids, 1 teen and 2 adults.
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At least those cats are usually killed humanely. Has anybody heard of the Stephens Island wren which got eradicated by cats and the only dead specimen we have was chewed up by a cat and this bird was driven to extinction before people realized it was a new species.
Edit:The first specimen was chewed by cats. The others I don't know.
Edited by Guat, Jun 14 2014, 02:00 PM.
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Admantus
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I'd have a pack of neither in my yard.
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Okeanos
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Just because an animal isn't dangerous to humans doesn't mean it's not dangerous for the ecosystem.

Coyotes have been part of the ecosystem since the last Ice Age (if not longer), they're just living as they always have. Cats have only been introduced recently, and it's had a disastrous impact on the ecosystem.

Please, tell me why Coyotes deserve to die, but all feral cats need to be saved.

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stargatedalek
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Konner
Jun 14 2014, 01:54 PM
Wait, so you're saying Feral cats are being tortured because they don't have a owner to pamper them? That makes no sense. and I would rather have a pack of cats living in my back-yard then a pack of coyotes. You do understand when animals don't have enough food and are starving they will attack humans if they are large enough and trust me, a coyote pack is large enough to kill a entire family of 4 kids, 1 teen and 2 adults.
this just proves you didn't bother reading my posts

I've had people killed only a few hours away by coyotes
that being said, your statement reeks of ignorance, a pack of coyotes can take down a single person, and only very rarely

feral cats in the wild often suffer from diseases that native species have a developed immunity towards
and sometimes the environment is to harsh for them since they aren't accustomed to changing seasons

@Okeanos, coyotes have not been doing this since they appeared, its the imbalance humans created that has allowed them to exploit this niche and out compete other species
just because they are native, does not mean they can't be out of balance
Edited by stargatedalek, Jun 14 2014, 02:09 PM.
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I agree with Okeanos because coyotes have lived in the US since the last ice age and are a native part of the ecosystem so they don't harm their native ecosystem much. Only when the wolves and bears were exterminated they became dangerous to the ecosystem. Feral cats on the other hand destroy whole species and are dangerous to the ecosystem in places that they are not native to. For example, Stephan's Island where they ate up a whole species.
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stargatedalek
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regardless
I consider them each to be of equal threat to individual systems
(since cats are more widespread, they are larger problem overall)
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stargatedalek
Jun 14 2014, 02:05 PM
@Okeanos, coyotes have not been doing this since they appeared, its the imbalance humans created that has allowed them to exploit this niche and out compete other species
just because they are native, does not mean they can't be out of balance
I never said that they can't be ;) I said that what they're doing is surviving, as they always have. If a new, easily available food source comes into play, then of course they're going to exploit it. We can't exactly complain considering they've changed due to our actions
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Manakel
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Aren't you people just thrilled I found this topic? and had a different opinion? oh my goodness it's a abomination! Someone has a different opinion then everyone else, hide the children! Coyotes are more dangerous then cats and boy have they taken more children's lives then cats have.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-taming-of-the-cat/
Oh and I didn't say all of them. I said some of them so the populations won't over-whelm us. Know the difference.
@AVDDPS, You know how idiotic your post sounds right? We have no real proof of where cats actually came from but the link above shows some theories. They destroy entire bird species (Even though you know, birds have a advantage with flying and all) not entire Species as a whole. This is like saying they will kill off a deer species, or a cougar species. Also, I doubt you see many feral cats in the deserts of Arizona.
Edited by Manakel, Jun 14 2014, 02:18 PM.
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stargatedalek
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hybridizing with wolves is the main threat currently IMO
its what escalates them from major nuisance to threat
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Konner
Jun 14 2014, 02:15 PM
They destroy entire bird species (Even though you know, birds have a advantage with flying and all) not entire Species as a whole.
What you are saying here looks contradictory to me.
And just so you know, the species AVCDPS was talking about was flightless.
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stargatedalek
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Konner
Jun 14 2014, 02:15 PM
Aren't you people just thrilled I found this topic? and had a different opinion? oh my goodness it's a abomination! Someone has a different opinion then everyone else, hide the children! Coyotes are more dangerous then cats and boy have they taken more children's lives then cats have.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-taming-of-the-cat/
Oh and I didn't say all of them. I said some of them so the populations won't over-whelm us. Know the difference.
@AVDDPS, You know how idiotic your post sounds right? We have no real proof of where cats actually came from but the link above shows some theories. They destroy entire bird species (Even though you know, birds have a advantage with flying and all) not entire Species as a whole. This is like saying they will kill off a deer species, or a cougar species. Also, I doubt you see many feral cats in the deserts of Arizona.
its not so much your opinion on coyotes (which I share)
so much as the fact that you are ignoring everyone else and just attempting to exercise some sort of superiority

you know whats actually idiotic, your argument that cats are so much less of a threat then coyotes when we have plenty of evidence they are as bad, if not worse

coyotes are not killing off deer species, they are killing off smaller animals such as fox's, birds, and reptiles
as well as out competing other predators because they are smaller and breed faster
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@Konner-Haven't you heard of the Stephan's Island Wren. No, go look it up so you could find how destructive cats and any invasive species can be.
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