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Bill's Treasures; originally OP's treasures
Topic Started: Jul 5 2014, 06:33 AM (116,974 Views)
Furka
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Perhaps he still needs to finish the model ;)
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Robbie
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Beautiful models ! I love the mammoth animation a lot, I'm sure you'll do great making a new animation set, keep up the fabulous work, Bill. :)
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Consultant
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These models are so good and the mammoth animation is perfect, and I think you have improved so much as a designer over the last year!

P.S. the trike animations are definitely needed, take your time. ;)
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Ignacio
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davidy12
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PS: I'd say go for the new animations, we're in need of new Ceratopsian animations. Also, may I ask why you aren't including quills? I'm not saying it looks bad without them, but I think it'd look better. Anyways, it's your choice so do whatever you think is the best way to design.
I say he should do quills if there is enough evidence out there to support Triceratops having quills, not because whether or not it looks better (not saying I don't support quills or anything, as having barbs/quills back there does make sense as a defense mechanism).
Actually there isn't evidence of Triceratops having quills. See discusion about this in the paleontoly section.
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@Ignacio; Howver there is with other ceratopsians and it's Bill's choice wether he decideds to add quils or not.

Otherwise good job so far and will the new mamoth aims be PD or do you plan on just using them with this mamoth?
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Dec 31 2014, 09:54 PM
what? really? but you said your real name is Alex? xD

i have also been thinking a lot about which anim to use for the trike. i hated the trike anim by BF, and i don't want to waste my model on that. plus this trike is the first one i made with great care to the anatomy (all thanks to Hendrix's video tutorial), i can say that it is somewhat correct and perfectly fit the skeleton, and rigging it to trike anim will mean ruin that, since the model must be edited. so now i have 3 choices:

1/ make a new nodes set and anim set for it. however, i am already busy with the mammoth's, so making another anim set will take very long time and efforts, well i'm ok with it cause making these things are pretty much my future career, but can you guys wait long enough for it?

2/ use the original trike nodes set, edit it to fit my model (which i haven't learn how yet), and make a new walk cycle for it, cause that is what bugs me the most. this is less time-consuming

3/ screw it, and just go with the trike anim :P
ild rather wait for a trik thats done right. good luck
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Bill
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originally, one_piece

@Paleodude: everything i make are PD. the animation is aim to replicate that of modern day's elephant, so it should go well with any other elephants and mammoths in general.

@quills debate: i have asked about this in the paleontology section, and aparantly quills are actually not a very plausible theory, allow me to quote Incinerox words of wisdom:

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The "quill" hypothesis shown in the other two are based off the ones present on Psittacosaurus's tail, and the presence of unusual round, knob shaped scales on trike skin. The problem is that the quills of psittacosaurus are totally different structures which erupted from the skin differently. They weren't supported by knob shaped scales, they were arranged in a more typical bristle like manner (as opposed to sparsely arranged large scales), and they were arranged in a single row over a portion of the tail (which again, is not what you see in trikes).

Then you have to consider that trikes are the exception to a fairly well documented rule. Other chasmosaurines and all known centrosaurine skin show the right mosaic type scales, and the right arrangement of larger, round scales, but only trike has modified their round scales into weird, protruding things. What separates them from psittacosaur quills is that they're full on scales. They aren't frayed scales like Kulindadromeus. They aren't long, thin bristles like psittacosaurus. They're genuine, solid scales.

The thing is that we have no idea if the scales served as a supporting structure for a bristle (which is completely undocumented in other animals), or if they just looked like that in life. But the quill hypothesis is tenuous and based entirely on "this very primitive species had it" rather than looking to its closer, quill-less relatives. You also find that quills and genrally feathered structures tend to be associated with a certain type of scaly texture, one that psittacosaurus had, Kulindadromeus had, theropods had, but NOT seen in trike mummies.

My personal line of thinking is that if you consider the 65 million years it spent being worn down and emaciated, it's likely those scales could have looked a bit fuller and perhaps sharper too. A bit like some well armed lizards today, only maybe not as extreme.


so looking at the trike's skin impression, i would say small spikes are a more realistic approach than quills.

and thank you for the wonderful comments guys :dance:


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Ignacio
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I agree and i like the spiky trike better than the quilled trike. I can't wait to see it : 3
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I think a spiky trike would also be better. I know have brought up arguments very similar to Incinerox's against quills in the past on these, and previous, ZT2 boards... And I usually got ripped to shreds by people who say most ceratopsians have quills because one basal specimen did. It's refreshing to see someone who has modeled a trike without quills!

Plus, I think it is very hard to do "quills" right within ZT2, because they are more bristle-y then anything. The one psitacosaurus fossil they found with bristles shows that they aren't straight and pointy, but instead fold over, more like droopy hair than pointy porcupine quills. This would probably be a pain to model. Also, on the singular specimen they have found, the bristles are only found in a single row, and only along the tail. That doesn't mean that every ceratopsian would follow that pattern for bristles, but... the Trike mummy we have doesn't follow that pattern.
Really though it comes down to what people think is accurate with fossilized species, and we don't know who is right.

Also new elephant-y animations are exciting! Heck new animations for ANYTHING is exciting!
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

Hot damn that new animation though. After not being on here for over 2 weeks, this is quite a nice thing to come back to. :)
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Admiral General Aladeen
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Kicking off the new year with a bang, I see. Wonderful work as usual :)
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Bill
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the process has been a little slow lately, cause i just went through the first college exam course, and also a close relative just past away so... yeah, i have been busy. plus the last few weeks before lunar new year will be even more intense, but i will try to finish this guy soon:

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i'm pretty proud of how it turns out, and have been playing around with it:

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not a great achievement or anything but this pic was approved for Prehistory Alive! :adowable:

i also made this, but after the nexus mod incident, i learned a bit more about copy right and i don't know if i should be doing this, so if not, i'll take it off:

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Furka
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This Rex does look very good ! Perhaps a bit too shiny, but maybe it's just an impression of mine.
Not a great fan of the white underside tho ...
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Terrena Laxamentum
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There is always something going on...

It looks great, but I do agree with furka with the skinniness.
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This is awesome!
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