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Bill's Treasures; originally OP's treasures
Topic Started: Jul 5 2014, 06:33 AM (116,964 Views)
Envy
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Amazing Ouranosaurus Bill! A very much needed download! :)

I'd also like to comment on the whole similarity to the "Eryel design". Bill can make his model look like whatever he wants, it's his download. I can assure you Eryel isn't the only person to have designed an Ouranosaurus with spots or markings like that or with similar features (whether it be a drawing, computer art, model for a video game, etc). Coloration, pattern, or anything that applies to the aesthetics of an extinct animal are speculations, and not one particular adaptation will belong to any person (unless you want to get technical with dinosaur models from video games that withhold copyright ie; Primal Carnage, Stomping Land). So, if you don't like that it looks too similar to a PU download which you probably won't even get ahold of (unless you're close friends with her or something), then simply don't download it. He has the freedom to design it however he likes, and he can project his own aspirations from other references/designs (such as Eryel's) if he wishes to. Yes, he used her textures, but that doesn't necessarily mean he "ripped off" her own design.
Edited by Envy, Mar 20 2015, 11:25 PM.
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Bebopgroove
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I love Bill's Ouranosaurus and I didn't have a problem with the way it looks.. I'm NOT close friends with Eryel (and I don't even know her other than by seeing her posts on the forum) but from reading her posts, she seems overly sensitive to things like these, and I didn't want anymore drama. I guess I really shouldn't care, really I posted it because I didn't want Bill to get attacked if she did get upset about it, that was all. But I guess next time I will keep such thoughts to myself. I didn't mean anything bad by it.
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Envy
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Bebopgroove
Mar 20 2015, 11:31 PM
I love Bill's Ouranosaurus and I didn't have a problem with the way it looks.. I'm NOT close friends with Eryel (and I don't even know her other than by seeing her posts on the forum) but from reading her posts, she seems overly sensitive to things like these, and I didn't want anymore drama. I guess I really shouldn't care, really I posted it because I didn't want Bill to get attacked if she did get upset about it, that was all. But I guess next time I will keep such thoughts to myself. I didn't mean anything bad by it.
No, I think it was an astute observation. But even if she did jump on him, she would be in the wrong due to my points above. My point is, no specific details represented on a speculative reconstruction of an animal belongs to anyone (stripes, spots, spirals, circles), and anyone has the freedom to implement it to their own works.
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Lgcfm
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It looks very nice, though I'm kind of bothered by the way the lighter underside is there at the face and neck, disappears on the belly and then reappears on the tail. I think it would look more natural if the yellowish color was also visible on the belly (between the front and hind legs) from the side view (referring to this picture):
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Of course this is just a suggestion :P otherwise great job!
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Bebopgroove
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My apologies, I didn't mean for any hard feelings. Bill can design his animals as he sees fit, and rightly so.
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Envy
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Bebopgroove
Mar 20 2015, 11:40 PM
My apologies, I didn't mean for any hard feelings. Bill can design his animals as he sees fit, and rightly so.
No need to apologize xD
Edited by Envy, Mar 20 2015, 11:48 PM.
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doNDon0626
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Bill
Mar 20 2015, 08:01 AM
sorry it have been a while since my last update guys. i'm wrapping this guy up real quick while you wait for the stygimoloch:

OURANOSAURUS

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*jaw drops*

wow dude.. this is just beautiful the best dino u ever made by far!! Gr8t job
Love the skin ALOT especially that male face
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HENDRIX
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-retired-

Envy
Mar 20 2015, 11:36 PM
Bebopgroove
Mar 20 2015, 11:31 PM
I love Bill's Ouranosaurus and I didn't have a problem with the way it looks.. I'm NOT close friends with Eryel (and I don't even know her other than by seeing her posts on the forum) but from reading her posts, she seems overly sensitive to things like these, and I didn't want anymore drama. I guess I really shouldn't care, really I posted it because I didn't want Bill to get attacked if she did get upset about it, that was all. But I guess next time I will keep such thoughts to myself. I didn't mean anything bad by it.
No, I think it was an astute observation. But even if she did jump on him, she would be in the wrong due to my points above. My point is, no specific details represented on a speculative reconstruction of an animal belongs to anyone (stripes, spots, spirals, circles), and anyone has the freedom to implement it to their own works.
No, that's her very right to do so. What you're implying is that plagiarism is perfectly fine. It's not. The artist / creator can tolerate it, but doesn't have to.
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What is this about Bill copying Eryel's work? Yes both have circular texture patches and a striped pattern on their sails, but other than that, I can't really see much similarity between these two,

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Plus alot of the images show striped sails, when you search for Ouranosaurus images in some search engine site, example google.
Edited by Ulquiorra, Mar 21 2015, 09:12 AM.
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Bill
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originally, one_piece

chill out guys, i only extracted some texture from the render, like one would do with any references from google. it's not that significant either, just a few on the head

@lgcfm: the yellow under side does connect at the belly, it's just not visible in the side view ;)

thank you all for the comments guys, coding is already done, just some testing and it's ready

also i am pleased to announce that the stygimoloch took a great process step today, and we are getting ever closer to the release :D
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Terrena Laxamentum
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Nice, can't wait to see them!!
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Envy
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HENDRIX
Mar 21 2015, 04:47 AM
Envy
Mar 20 2015, 11:36 PM
Bebopgroove
Mar 20 2015, 11:31 PM
I love Bill's Ouranosaurus and I didn't have a problem with the way it looks.. I'm NOT close friends with Eryel (and I don't even know her other than by seeing her posts on the forum) but from reading her posts, she seems overly sensitive to things like these, and I didn't want anymore drama. I guess I really shouldn't care, really I posted it because I didn't want Bill to get attacked if she did get upset about it, that was all. But I guess next time I will keep such thoughts to myself. I didn't mean anything bad by it.
No, I think it was an astute observation. But even if she did jump on him, she would be in the wrong due to my points above. My point is, no specific details represented on a speculative reconstruction of an animal belongs to anyone (stripes, spots, spirals, circles), and anyone has the freedom to implement it to their own works.
No, that's her very right to do so. What you're implying is that plagiarism is perfectly fine. It's not. The artist / creator can tolerate it, but doesn't have to.
Plagiarism would be someone else getting ahold of her exact Ouranosaurus and leaking it and releasing it as it was his/her own creation. Or in Bill's case, plagiarism would be him taking credit for textures that aren't his, which is not what I was implying with my post. My point was that if someone would make a similar model with non-trademark features (such as those spirals on Eryel's Ouranosaurus), it's not plagiarism because as I said, I'm pretty sure other people have drawn or reconstructed that dinosaur with similar features, does that automatically mean that those stripes/spots belong to any of them and no one else can put those features on their own work? I even said, you can get technical with this and bring up the copyright on specific looks/reconstructions like the dinosaurs from the Stomping Land or the Nintendo copyright on Pokemon and the reason we can't officially release those for the game. Which I'm sure was the case for the SL T.Rex on Nexus, wasn't that the reason it was never officially released?
Edited by Envy, Mar 21 2015, 02:06 PM.
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Iben
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Bill
Mar 21 2015, 09:33 AM
chill out guys, i only extracted some texture from the render, like one would do with any references from google. it's not that significant either, just a few on the head
Wait. This ain't the same though. Using public domain textures/photos from google is one thing. Sourcing textures from a project made here in this community is something completely different. I'm surprised that you don't know this O.o . Sourcing stuff from photos on Google is something different because you edit it from one medium to the other ( a photo of an animal to a 3D model; and mind you this is a very grey area. You can't just exactly replicate a photo by painting it either ). Using a photo of a 3D model and sourcing your texture from that 3D model without permission isn't the same. That is illegal. There's really no way at all to twist or turn this into something that's right/okay here, if you sourced textures from her render without permission then you stole her work. I'm sorry, but it's that simple :/ .

@Envy : No, your definition of plagiarism isn't correct. You don't need the actual physical work to commit an act of plagiarism. I'm not saying this is plagiarism, but your definition isn't correct. Copying specific details is an act of plagiarism in itself, as it's often the details that define a work. I'm not saying that Bill did this in his colour scheme, but what you're saying isn't correct.

SL's Rex was imported without permission. Imports have always been a grey area in the community because we don't ask permission to do so. The thing is that most big games like WLP don't really know about this nor care much to really interfere; but if they wanted we have to remove all imports.

@Note to all : copyright rules are still applicable even if there's no money involved.
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Bill
Mar 21 2015, 09:33 AM
chill out guys, i only extracted some texture from the render, like one would do with any references from google. it's not that significant either, just a few on the head
Sorry but you can't do that. Her Ouranosaurus is a PU project so is not for public use and i'm pretty sure that includes the textures in her renders.
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Envy
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Iben
Mar 21 2015, 02:17 PM
Bill
Mar 21 2015, 09:33 AM
chill out guys, i only extracted some texture from the render, like one would do with any references from google. it's not that significant either, just a few on the head
Wait. This ain't the same though. Using public domain textures/photos from google is one thing. Sourcing textures from a project made here in this community is something completely different. I'm surprised that you don't know this O.o . Sourcing stuff from photos on Google is something different because you edit it from one medium to the other ( a photo of an animal to a 3D model; and mind you this is a very grey area. You can't just exactly replicate a photo by painting it either ). Using a photo of a 3D model and sourcing your texture from that 3D model without permission isn't the same. That is illegal. There's really no way at all to twist or turn this into something that's right/okay here, if you sourced textures from her render without permission then you stole her work. I'm sorry, but it's that simple :/ .

@Envy : No, your definition of plagiarism isn't correct. You don't need the actual physical work to commit an act of plagiarism. I'm not saying this is plagiarism, but your definition isn't correct. Copying specific details is an act of plagiarism in itself, as it's often the details that define a work. I'm not saying that Bill did this in his colour scheme, but what you're saying isn't correct.

SL's Rex was imported without permission. Imports have always been a grey area in the community because we don't ask permission to do so. The thing is that most big games like WLP don't really know about this nor care much to really interfere; but if they wanted we have to remove all imports.

@Note to all : copyright rules are still applicable even if there's no money involved.
I see what you're saying with the "copying specific details is an act of plagiarism in itself", though. But, what I meant to say is that the aspect of the stripes,spirals, dots or any aesthetic feature in itself, like in generic/standard form can be applied to any work. So, I guess I worded it wrong.

Like, for example. Lets say two essays got similar high grades and used complex vocabulary. Both essays used the same exact vocabulary for the most part. However, both essays cover different topics (lets say one covers advancements in the fields of science and another deals with cooking). So, would one call out plagiarism because one essay used the same high-level vocabulary that the other person used in their essay, despite their works being different? I don't know how else to explain this, really.
Edited by Envy, Mar 21 2015, 02:39 PM.
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