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Bill's Treasures; originally OP's treasures
Topic Started: Jul 5 2014, 06:33 AM (116,963 Views)
Iben
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!

Envy
Mar 21 2015, 02:33 PM
Iben
Mar 21 2015, 02:17 PM
Bill
Mar 21 2015, 09:33 AM
chill out guys, i only extracted some texture from the render, like one would do with any references from google. it's not that significant either, just a few on the head
Wait. This ain't the same though. Using public domain textures/photos from google is one thing. Sourcing textures from a project made here in this community is something completely different. I'm surprised that you don't know this O.o . Sourcing stuff from photos on Google is something different because you edit it from one medium to the other ( a photo of an animal to a 3D model; and mind you this is a very grey area. You can't just exactly replicate a photo by painting it either ). Using a photo of a 3D model and sourcing your texture from that 3D model without permission isn't the same. That is illegal. There's really no way at all to twist or turn this into something that's right/okay here, if you sourced textures from her render without permission then you stole her work. I'm sorry, but it's that simple :/ .

@Envy : No, your definition of plagiarism isn't correct. You don't need the actual physical work to commit an act of plagiarism. I'm not saying this is plagiarism, but your definition isn't correct. Copying specific details is an act of plagiarism in itself, as it's often the details that define a work. I'm not saying that Bill did this in his colour scheme, but what you're saying isn't correct.

SL's Rex was imported without permission. Imports have always been a grey area in the community because we don't ask permission to do so. The thing is that most big games like WLP don't really know about this nor care much to really interfere; but if they wanted we have to remove all imports.

@Note to all : copyright rules are still applicable even if there's no money involved.
I see what you're saying with the "copying specific details is an act of plagiarism in itself", though. But, what I meant to say is that the aspect of the stripes,spirals, dots or any aesthetic feature in itself, like in generic/standard form can be applied to any work. So, I guess I worded it wrong.

Like, for example. Lets say one essay got a high grade and used complex vocabulary, and another essay also got a similar grade and used complex vocabulary. Let's say both essays used the same vocabulary, however, both essays cover different topics (lets say one covers advancements in the fields of science and another deals with cooking). So, would one call out plagiarism because one essay used the same high-level vocabulary that the other person used in their essay, despite their works being different? I don't know how else to explain this, really.
It generally depends from case to case. In this case, the spots are quite close to the ones of Eyrel. They aren't generic or standard, the pattern is rather specific. It's a bit hard to define it of course, but in this case it's getting quite close to the source material. It might be on the line of plagiarism and inspiration, I find it hard to judge that on this point. The spirals are different enough though.

On the essays, if the vocabulary gets too close to the other work, it can be plagiarism ( granted, if the author knew about the existence of that other piece and saw/read it ) even if it covers a different topic. Writing styles can be quite unique and can be defended by copyright. Believe me, although there actually aren't really true "worldwide" copyright rules, there are some basic rules and those are quite strict.
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HENDRIX
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Completely agreed with Iben.

About the essays, if you copy just one sentence and forget to put it in quotation marks or cite the source, or even if you merely use someone's ideas without giving credit, that is already a plagiarism. If I did that in one of my essays and the professor noticed, I would be expelled from university. So it's really not that it has to be a complete copy to be plagiarism, tiny fractions are enough.

I'm not accusing Bill of anything; but Envy, your idea of "you can do whatever you want" just doesn't cut it.
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

HENDRIX
Mar 21 2015, 03:28 PM
Completely agreed with Iben.

About the essays, if you copy just one sentence and forget to put it in quotation marks or cite the source, or even if you merely use someone's ideas without giving credit, that is already a plagiarism. If I did that in one of my essays and the professor noticed, I would be expelled from university. So it's really not that it has to be a complete copy to be plagiarism, tiny fractions are enough.

I'm not accusing Bill of anything; but Envy, your idea of "you can do whatever you want" just doesn't cut it.
I said designers should be free to implement whatever they wish into their projects, whether it be a particular color scheme or a stripe or dots. Just because one person did it, doesn't mean another can't be inspired by it and make alterations, which Bill did. Here's an example of one such accusation of "plagiarism"

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CEO51
Aug 4 2014, 11:52 AM
Tyranachu
Aug 4 2014, 09:36 AM
Sorry guys, for the extremely late release, yet again...

I've been caught up with a lot more important things lately, such as school, college entrance tests, and my best friend, of course...

Anyway, here ya go. :)

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Resemblance?
Well.

That kinda killed my mood.

I'm not one for accusations, and you were kind of jumping to conclusions there, bud.

Because by that logic, I could accuse every single designer who made a lion or tiger for copying each other. :/

Oh well. I'mma let this one slip.

Besides, I guess both UT2 and I like the DR Torvosaurus anyway, haha.



So, let's say another designer decided to make another Prehistoric Park Incisivosaurus, obviously it would have to have the same coloration (for example) because it's striving to be accurate to the documentary version. Would you call them out for plagiarism to some extent because you made one? You could call it out for plagiarism if for example, they used your textures without your permission or they used your skin and they pass it off as their own. Sure, but what I'm trying to say is, if someone has already made a specific project and another decides to make one with similar aspects, would it automatically mean they are all copying off each other?

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HENDRIX
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Yeah but if you use something, like if you copy parts of a texture, you have to give credit. Simple as that. Even if you're just inspired by something, you should still do so. Because that way you show your respect for the original creator, you acknowledge the hard work and don't simply claim the whole thing as your own original work. That also prevents discussion like this. It's exactly the same when you write a paper. Anything that is not 100% your work has to be given source information. I suggest you read what our English faculty has to say about plagiarism in the text "'Genius borrows nobly': Understanding and Avoiding Plagiarism": http://www.as.uni-heidelberg.de/downloads/sf-neue-po-sept-2013.pdf
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Murdock129
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Oh my fucking god this community

Don't use other people's shit without asking permission, is that so hard to understand?

Don't swear in any circumstances please.
Edited by Bill, Mar 22 2015, 05:03 AM.
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tigris115
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Goddammit, this is why people like Eryel have pulled the plug on us.
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Furka
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Guys, I think Bill has got the message by now (or he will once he comes back online), so I think we can end this here before someone starts to freak out (like it happens too often).
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HENDRIX
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I'm sure Bill has got it, but other people apparently haven't. ;)

Bill, sorry for clogging up your thread but it's sadly necessary to do so.
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

I'm not condoning plagiarism, don't get me wrong. Obviously if someone used aspects of someone's work directly (skin, texture, mesh, sounds), they should always credit the original creator and its components. But, that's not what my main argument was about. It's that people shouldn't jump the boat on calling people out for having a similar look (even to the minimal degree) to another project without knowing how it was implemented. Like in this case, Bill used her textures (with permission I assume) and was inspired by her own design, which he would credit once he would release it (debatable now from what Ignacio said earlier). Bill didn't specify this until after it was called out that it looked similar to Eryel's.

Also, HENDRIX, I know how essay writing protocols go. The example I posted earlier is just an example and it doesn't reflect on how I would write my essays or how I see plagiarism in a school/work environment.

But anyways. I'll drop this. Don't imply I'm for plagiarism and that I think people should just use stuff without giving credit, and if I gave that impression, that was absolutely not my goal.
Edited by Envy, Mar 21 2015, 05:36 PM.
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the dark phoenix
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King of wonderlandia

YO! stop scaring away the designers just because you want to rant and argue!

Bill your stygi and Ourano are wonderful. Pachycephalosaurs are rare DLs and African dinosaurs besides spinosaurus and carcharadontosaurus don't get much love. Well done and created two much needed DLs for ZT2's prehistoric menagerie.
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HENDRIX
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I don't fancy jumping onto something at all, in any case, but I do think credit should be given where credit is due, in any case. It's fine and necessary to point out such an issue, but it's enough if one person does so and not a truckload of people who wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.
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Furka
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Guys, we are just cluttering Bill's thread with this talk.
If anyone feels like this needs to be continued, you can open a new topic under Discussion (ZT2 section, not General).
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CyborgIguana
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Now that this is presumably over with, let me just say that I absolutely love your Ouranosaurus Bill. I've been wanting one for some time. Looking forward to your Styg as well. ;)
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Paleodude
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Wow that escalated quickly... anyways another great animal Bill! Finally we can populate our Cretaceous swamps with beautiful herbivores.
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Megraptor
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This really blew up. I could go on about copyright, but seems like this is over. And I had a whole essay too. Sad.

Anywho. Ouranosaurus. That's something that this community could use. The weird hadrosaurs aren't commonly made, so I'm all for this.
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