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| Topic Started: Aug 17 2014, 01:01 AM (3,466 Views) | |
| stargatedalek | Aug 17 2014, 08:30 AM Post #16 |
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A) I didn't say they were treated well enough, go back and actually read what I said B) no, its absolutely not ideal to release imprinted animals into an already struggling wild population, its preposterous! if it proves impossible to give adequate care than simply stop breeding captive orcas, releasing them would only do more harm Edited by stargatedalek, Aug 17 2014, 08:33 AM.
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Aug 17 2014, 08:34 AM Post #17 |
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A mental illness that was the result of his capture in the wild, and the way he was treated before and after arriving at SeaWorld. I've been unable to find evidence that he was born with some sort of mental affliction. Edited by Drax, Aug 17 2014, 08:35 AM.
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| Anton | Aug 17 2014, 08:36 AM Post #18 |
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Ah, the never-ending Sea World discussion.. *Grabs popcorn* I think it's a very good change, and certainly for the better. (Weird how they did something good, and it still wound up in a dicussion xD) If the whales have enough place in their new area, and are still able to do shows (Shows, although often regarded as 'bad' and 'unrealistic', are actually a great way of entertainment for the animals in my opinion. With their intelligence they need to be entertained somehow, and just swimming laps in an oversized pool won't do the trick. Plus it gets them treats, so I doubt the whales themselves even mind), I think it's a huge improvement for the Sea World franchise. It's nice to see that they're finally doing something about the criticism they've been getting throughout the years. (Also, let's not turn this conversation into a Sea world=good/bad debate, we've had enough of these in the community and they've always ended the same way. This topic, as far as I know, is meant to discuss the new tank, not the mistakes that occured in the past) |
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| stargatedalek | Aug 17 2014, 08:39 AM Post #19 |
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A) he only arrived at SeaWorld several years ago, that was Marine Land who captured him B) lots of other orcas captured (back when that was unfortunately legal) didn't develop similar conditions C) if stress had caused it than mental illness is the wrong term honestly, no one is certain if its some sort of psychosis brought on by stress, or if its a condition he was born with, either one is a valid theory but theres no way to know exactly what the cause is |
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Aug 17 2014, 08:46 AM Post #20 |
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That is true. But blackfish has videos, what the ex-employees said has to be taken with a grain of salt, the videos can't really be explained away like management attempted to. Tilikium suffers from mental illness because IIRC alot of his pod was killed during their attempts to prevent him from being taken and once he did arrive at the parks, at the time they were using harsh training methods. If even one of the whales misperformed, none of them were fed. The whales were smart enough to know that it was Tili (the new whale) that didn't get things right. At night they were put into a locked big metal box and the other whales raked their teeth though his skin throughout the night. Until he developed a seeming hatred for both other whales and humans alike. If Tilikium was the only whale they ever screwed up mentally, it would be one too many for me to support them when they blatantly lie to the people who go there about the whales and their lives. I'm extremely happy they are attempting to improve their lives now, I really, really am. Even if it's for no other reason than to help shoo away the bad press they've been getting since the movies and deaths. But until I actually see or hear the whales are doing alot better, I remain skeptical. |
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| Danny | Aug 17 2014, 08:47 AM Post #21 |
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Meanwhile, SeaWorld in Australia doesn't even have Orcas
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| Burns | Aug 17 2014, 09:00 AM Post #22 |
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I don't know anything about what Blackfish is although I don't have a problem with Sea World. They have a big enough facility to hold orcas so why not let them keep them. Sea World has not taken an animal from the wild in 35 years. Plus with Sea World we can learn more about the reproductive cycles of orcas. If Sea World can prove to be more than just a tourist attraction and improve some of their exhibits then I don't see why they couldn't join the SSP for some of their endangered animals. |
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| stargatedalek | Aug 17 2014, 09:09 AM Post #23 |
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A) the current facilities are just not up to par (not that anyone else facilities are....) for keeping orcas, theres no denying that orca need better care B) the only endangered species I've noted were turtles and tropical birds, which were receiving good care |
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| Burns | Aug 17 2014, 09:12 AM Post #24 |
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IF they give the orca and some of the other animals better care is their a chance they could be elected into the AZA? |
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| stargatedalek | Aug 17 2014, 09:13 AM Post #25 |
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probably, I'd say thats really the only change they need to make to be amongst the best in terms of animal husbandry |
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| spendabuck | Aug 17 2014, 09:54 AM Post #26 |
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Did I miss something here? Because I always thought that SeaWorld was a pretty good facility. How do they (if they do) mistreat their animals though? |
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Aug 17 2014, 10:09 AM Post #27 |
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Watch Blackfish on Netflix when you get the chance, then you'll basically be up to speed. |
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| spendabuck | Aug 17 2014, 10:14 AM Post #28 |
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Or I could save both time & cash & just read about it on Wikipedia ![]() Edit: I just read about it on Wikipedia. So an orca named Tikilum attacked his trainer because he was mistreated? If so, was that also what happened with Shamu a few years ago? Edited by spendabuck, Aug 17 2014, 10:20 AM.
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| stargatedalek | Aug 17 2014, 10:42 AM Post #29 |
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Tilikum "is" Shamu, Shamu is like James Bond, there are a whole bunch of dolphins who all play the same character |
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Aug 17 2014, 10:45 AM Post #30 |
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The original Shamu has been dead since 1971. She was the first orca to survive more than 13 months in captivity. |
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