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hare brained conservation scemes.
Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 03:09 AM (1,866 Views)
Murdock129
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We have basically the same situation as Kayla mentioned above with Dogs and Cats in the UK
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Kaleb
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Zebrasorus is teh best evur11

And people could selectively breed the dogs to have white fur like they did with Dogos to make it less likely that a dog could be lost during the hunt. Not to mention they probably wouldn't really do that much more damage to the environment than dingos would have done anyways.
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I didn't call this harebrained for nothing, and Australian already has feral dogs, alot of them and they're worse than dingos, they interbreed with dingos and where they are, they do kill off a lot of goats and keep their population down.
Here is what they look like.
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Furka
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Kaleb
Oct 20 2014, 05:17 PM
And people could selectively breed the dogs to have white fur like they did with Dogos to make it less likely that a dog could be lost during the hunt.
That doesn't work, trust me.
I have white dogs, and the colour doesn't matter when they run away miles ahead of you.
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Most people who train their dogs to go out with them into the field don't let them go miles ahead :) That would serve them no real purpose, or if they are meant to go that far ahead, they are trained to make noise to bring the handler to them.
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Yeah but it happens especially with young dogs, when you take them outside they can go away for a long distance, especially if they see another animal. It depends a lot on the personality of the animal (one of my dogs keeps running like hell everywhere, the other doesn't even chase deers), but there's plenty of people who lose their dogs this way.
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I'm pretty sure that's a lack of training, if your dog cannot come when called with distractions, then you shouldn't let them out into the field.

It's the same with things like personal protection dogs, you don't let them work into the field until they know to "Release" on command no matter what the distraction.
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Yeah but to train them, you gotta take them in the open, and you cannot be sure if they'll follow your orders or not.
Again, it's all a matter of personality, as some dogs are simply calmer, some will learn to follow orders and others are simply stubborn.
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You teach the dog the "come" command in a calm environment first, then you gradually add more distractions, then you can buy long tethers (basically like thirty foot long leashes). Let them go to the end of it, teach them to come back, then start in a large fenced in area like a dog park etc. etc. Just because "some people" cannot train their dogs doesn't mean this can't work.

All dogs have different energy levels, sure but "stubborn" is no excuse for a dog not to be trained, any dog can be trained, whether it takes different methods for different dogs is part of being a dog owner and takes different levels of patience, stubborn dogs will just take a different method, more patience and more reinforcement of said training.
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You could just shoot the goats.
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Stephen
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^lol, easy solution indeed!
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Trouble isn't how to kill them, what I suggested is shooting them. But it's hard to find goats dotted all over the outback, hence training dogs to seek them out and herd them towards you and then...boom.
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That's not exactly how hunting dog training works here.
For starting, leashes are "unnatural" and are used only to move the dogs to a certain area, as the dogs has to be free-roaming during the hunt.
And the "training arena" is not a likely idea, since unless one has a very big garden you don't have the space to train your dog (since you can't train hunting dogs in a dog park), and you won't be able to provide the same amount of distractions the dog can find in the wild. The closest to that could be fenced hunting reserves, but even then those places are huge and the dog can easily go lost for days.
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Leashes are only a temporary training tool to allow training to occur, if the animal goes a far instance and you call it and it doesn't respond, the leash ensures you can bring the animal to you and show that's what you want from the animal, you don't use leashes during the hunt, it's only during it's training. Why can't hunting dogs go to a dog park? Most hunting dogs are trained and used in groups, they should not be aggressive towards other dogs, only towards the game they are being trained to hunt down.

Other dogs provide great distraction however, while it won't be the same as small game they are being trained to hunt, for that you have things that simulate them, such as the rabbit and bird toys used to train greyhounds and other such animals to run.

You've still given me no reason as to why the dog cannot be trained other than you don't want to put in the patience/time.
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The dog is more likely to listen to you with the leash, since it has nowhere else to go, Furthermore, a leash can be an ostacle in forested environments where it would get stuck in the foliage and such.

You can't train them in dog parks because the activity itself can disturb other people. Hunting training session often involve the use of wild animals either dead or alive, and that's not a show many people want to see, not to mention the use of firearms. You can still take the dogs to the park for normal stuff you'd do with any other dog.

Decoys and such won't provide enough distractions, and often they don't resemble enough the real thing, especially because of the scent factor (which is what many breeds rely on).
You can try to teach your dog to avoid snakes by using a dead one, but there's no way you can simulate something like a deer.

I'm not saying you can't train them, just that even with the training some dogs are not as willing to listen as others even after learning.
Basically, the chances of loosing a dog during the hunt are always present, be it because it's unexperienced, poorly trained, simply stubborn or even by sheer bad luck.

(Note: I'm talking about the breeds used for hunting gamebirds here, as I don't know much about other hunting dogs).
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