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| Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 03:09 AM (1,868 Views) | |
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Oct 21 2014, 07:34 AM Post #31 |
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No one ever said about using leashes in the hunt, I said you use them during training, that doesn't mean you use them for the entire training, just when your teaching the command. You reinforce it and continue without the leash. I see alot of small excuses but all of these can be trained in stages. You can teach come in a dog park, you can rub blood or meat scents onto toys, you can then reinforce chasing or returning with live or dead game back home, all before letting the dog out on the hunt. Maybe it's an issue in the UK. But my family comes from hunters and farmers or even both - and they've had generations of hunting dogs. And I've seen the stages of training they go to and NEVER have I heard of issues with a dog not coming back when called because they spend months (even years with the stubborn ones) training before they let the dog out into a wild situation. And only a few times to my knowledge have the dogs gotten hurt, and when they have, it's been moreso due to rough terrain than due to being attacked by game, considering if they've trained the dogs properly, once the game animal has been found, they are taught to heel and only keep the animal from running and are not to get close to the animal once it's begun to fight back. As I said before, dogs have been bred for thousands of years to look to humans for guidance, hundreds and thousands of breeds have been tested for this and they all have the same psychology with some differences depending on what their breed purpose is. Personality means nothing when it comes to training other than a stronger method, more time and patience and more reinforcement when the correct behavior is presented. If you get frustrated and quit training or your failing teaching your dog a command then try a new method, give it more time, change the reward to something higher. No dog is untrainable and impossible. |
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| Furka | Oct 21 2014, 07:58 AM Post #32 |
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I wasn't talking about hunting, even if you are training in the bush the leash is an obstacle. My family has a similar background, and 90% of my father's friends are too. Granted, no dog is untrainable, but the chances of loosing one are always there, either by human mistake (because not every dog trainer is perfect) or simply by bad luck. And once you loose sight of the dog, it doesn't matter if it's white or yellow glowing, which was the point of my answer to Flower's post. |
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| Meerkatmatt2 | Oct 21 2014, 08:26 AM Post #33 |
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What about the Judas goat method, have a radio collar on one goat, release it, wit until it finds a herd, track it down then give them all acute lead posioning! |
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Oct 21 2014, 08:31 AM Post #34 |
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Because lead poisoning is cruel and could poison native life as well as the goats. (Nevermind this, I assume you mean bullets lol) And I still think that all of your excuses aren't reasons why dogs couldn't be used. To lose a white dog in a forest of green and brown means your not paying attention or the dog has no training to come back to you at all. And using white coated dogs in open outback australia against brown and rust red would again, be rather difficult. Most hunting dogs used here in the states are black/brown and we don't lose our dogs so... |
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| Furka | Oct 21 2014, 09:11 AM Post #35 |
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I'm not saying they can't be used, again I was saying a white coat isn't an ensurance of not loosing it. Forests can be thick, and especially when there are carpets of brambles like here, to the point you could be sitting on an 80 kg wild boar without noticing (happened for real). You can easily lose sight of the dogs, and there might be obstacles preventing it from returning to you, well trained or not. I remember the time it took us hours to retrieve our dog, because while it was merely a few metres from us, there was this deep trench between us than ran for quite a long shot. But this is not a problem the Ausie outback faces. |
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| stargatedalek | Oct 21 2014, 03:55 PM Post #36 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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one thing no-one has taken into account yet is who would be doing this, presumably government employees theres no way to say for certain you wouldn't end up with a lazy or ill trained employee who looses a couple dogs |
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| Whalebite | Oct 22 2014, 08:05 AM Post #37 |
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Genetically alter them to have a lysine contingency. There is still no good substitute for hunting them down with a rifle though. Viruses might work, but may mutate out of the target species. Any method needs to be tested carefully before considering its implementation |
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| Meerkatmatt2 | Oct 22 2014, 08:08 AM Post #38 |
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all animals are lysine deficent, they have to get it in their food. |
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| stargatedalek | Oct 22 2014, 03:07 PM Post #39 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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lysine is pretty prevalent in nature, all animals get it in their food, so even with a JP styled deficiency its probably just going to make them dependent on certain foods plus theres the fact that that would probably take millions of dollars to engineer a breed of lysine deficient dogs |
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| Meerkatmatt2 | Oct 23 2014, 02:51 AM Post #40 |
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Well at least the leopard idea is better than attaching nuclear bombs to to halt cane toads. |
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| Furka | Oct 23 2014, 04:58 AM Post #41 |
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Non-lethal traps are an option. That's what is done to wil boars here, together with hunting. And I say non-lethal because it's safer for other animals. |
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Oct 25 2014, 12:18 AM Post #42 |
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Is there an effective means of trapping animals like goats? I know with feral pigs they use these large cage like traps that they dump corn and such into, but at most they'll catch 3-5 pigs, and they're usually very small. When a feral animal problem is as bad as some of the ones in Australia, shooting them seems more practical. |
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| Meerkatmatt2 | Oct 25 2014, 01:22 AM Post #43 |
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I've seen one of those traps, With sheep body parts, still worked. |
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| Furka | Oct 25 2014, 03:39 AM Post #44 |
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They are also used a the natural park my father works at, and they've caught boars up to 120 kg with them. And they also use a different variant of that to catch the deers. |
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