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Betta Fish Questions
Topic Started: Nov 13 2014, 02:20 PM (1,864 Views)
Flower
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eternal finessé

Ulquiorra
Nov 14 2014, 01:18 PM
Can female Betta be kept together? I've read and been told that females can tolerate each other and be kept together why males will kill each other. Yet I also know someone who's kept somebetta in the past, he bought a male and two females and oen of the female killed the other.
My two females usually stay in the main tank with scarlet rainbows, bala sharks, knifish, angels, and other rainbows.

The male lives in a small rectangular tank (because bowls are dangerous and mainstream) without oxygenation, but a small underwater Sagittarius plant. It has enough room for five goldfish to have a big room, so during the April-May time, I put one female with the male, and they spawn soon. Out of 7 attempts, I got 5 failed attempts ( infertile eggs) and 2 succesful attempts. 1 gave to 16 intact babies which lived (and was sold to the nearby pet shop for a good price) The second gave rise to a huge cloud, but only one female survived and lives with her mommy. :D It's really sad that nearly 500 eggs are laid and so less live till adolescence and even lesser for the rest of their lives.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

while sad so many die, a part of me wishes apple snails had such low germination rates xD
(200+ baby snails is NOT fun)
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stargatedalek
Nov 14 2014, 07:04 PM
while sad so many die, a part of me wishes apple snails had such low germination rates xD
(200+ baby snails is NOT fun)
Get some predator snails. Problem solves!
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Fight to the death at 0.03 mph
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Flower
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Mathius Tyra
Nov 14 2014, 10:08 PM
stargatedalek
Nov 14 2014, 07:04 PM
while sad so many die, a part of me wishes apple snails had such low germination rates xD
(200+ baby snails is NOT fun)
Get some predator snails. Problem solves!
Assassin snails are:

-Cool
-Assassinating
-Graceful
-Easy to keep
-A bit costly
-Fun snail
-Good alternative for a fish geek who will not get an octopus from his/her father.

On topic: Betta breeding is difficult. I have betta cups (rectangular version) and I had a lot of time, like the entire summer vacation in my hand. It's pretty much like mowing a lawn alone with small scissors.

And you can keep a betta in small (2 gallon) tanks without separate oxygenation. Don't forget to keep the upper surface open, and don't fill it up to the brim. Otherwise you will end up with a suicidal siamese fish. If you cover the tank, give a small aerator (maybe battery powered) and keep it on for about 16 hours a day, at equal intervals.

I have only bred bettas with interest, and got a denison's barb fry in the planted tank accidentally (that was believe me, a trip to hell. Taking care of denison's barb fry is much more tiring......) that survived because I noticed in time.

Hope this helps.
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The trick with covering the tank is to have the plastic "corners" that'd allow the covering glass to leave about 4-6mm gap, unbreachable for jumping fish, but allowing for air circulation.

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It has enough room for five goldfish to have a big room


~300l tank I wouldn't call small. Small tank I wouldn't call suitable for goldfish xD
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five goldfish would have been an exaggeration. It is a 6 gallon tank, you estimate the number of goldfish.

And also can you explain the corner idea once more? It seems interesting. ;)
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6 gallon isn't nowhere suitable even for a single goldfish. :P

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^kinda like this, only with vents on the sides and preferably some form of air pump helping to keep the air above surface fresh for the Anabantoidei fish.
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One of my neightbours has had trouble with betta in the past, they kept getting lodged between the filter pump and the tank wall and dying. Betta were the only fish he had that did this. He still has a tropical tank, but I don't know if he still keeps betta.
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Bettas tend to seek shelter from the filter's water stream, which usually happens to be above or behind the filter. This is why the filtering power should be mild and the animals should have lots of plants to rest on.
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For me, betta is really low cost to keep...
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Just need a transparent, empty, used ,medium sized container with some washed gravel from garden or river nearby , a round stone picked from the steam and a little plastic plant added for decor.
3/4 of water and the top covered by paper with holes.
Due to its small size, the water should change weekly.
And most of the betta can only keep individually unless you want them to mat...
Edited by dycki1231, Nov 15 2014, 11:12 AM.
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I'm sorry, It does not look like that betta is very happy :( Not a good way to keep them. Besides, the water looks kinda dirty ;)
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No offense dicky, but that goes against everything we suggested in this topic ...
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Furka
Nov 15 2014, 01:03 PM
No offense dicky, but that goes against everything we suggested in this topic ...
This kind of fish keeping is animal abuse.


dycki1231
Nov 15 2014, 10:20 AM
For me, betta is really low cost to keep...
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Just need a transparent, empty, used ,medium sized container with some washed gravel from garden or river nearby , a round stone picked from the steam and a little plastic plant added for decor.
3/4 of water and the top covered by paper with holes.
Due to its small size, the water should change weekly.
And most of the betta can only keep individually unless you want them to mat...




  • The fish is in a bowl that for you would be an equivalent of a claustrophobically small bathroom. Except you have no place to run from your excrements and are forced to bathe in them for 7 days until someone graciously removes them so you can re-fill it. You also eat and drink your own excrements, and are forced to breathe them.
  • You didn't give it any form of resting spot or form of protection - it's constantly exposed in an empty, monotonic and dull environment with absolutely no stimuli. To what I described above, add that the room in which you're closed is empty.
  • There's absolutely no balance in this water, it's opening room for all sorts of illness. Water changes should be no more than 30% per week in large tanks with well estabilished environment. It's impossible to achieve in a... uh. pot? Hard to even call it a bowl. Imagine somebody put you in the room I described above and forced you to live there with cleaning of the room happening once per week. Yeah.
  • Round containers mess with fish's orientation because fish don't only use eyesight for it (and the view of outside world is constantly deformed by the shape of the glass) but also their touch. It'd be like putting your hypothetical room on a constant rollercoaster ride, except you are not allowed to exit. And someone forced you to constantly wear badly chosen glasses that deform everything you see outside the room.



To sum it up: You're closed in a 3x3m empty room that resembles a cat's litterbox. The room is made of glass, but deforms everything you see. Somebody constantly shakes the room so that you constantly feel dizzy. You bathe, breathe, eat and drink your own poop. You're allowed one cleaning of the room per week but during the procedure you experience a shock of changing the conditions. The air is never fresh where you live, you have no bed. Do you consider whoever put you in that room to be mindful of your needs as a living being?

As I'll probably get shot down for lashing out, posting animal abuse pictures on a forum related to animals is never going to end well and I feel no regret for saying all of the above.
Edited by Similis, Nov 15 2014, 01:23 PM.
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first of all, that's no my aquarium, just a photo from google.
And at now, of course I would not keep betta like this but I am talking about the most simple setup with only the cost of betta itself. When I was still young, around 10 years old, betta is my first fish keep secretly in my room. With less money and needed to be hidden setup , that is my setting and my first fish can pass the winter because it is warm enough behind the computer xD
Betta is very easy keeping species that can surive without air bump so I think the appliance too standard would not be good to beginer
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