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Betta Fish Questions
Topic Started: Nov 13 2014, 02:20 PM (1,866 Views)
Similis
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The most simple (and still not quite good enough) setup for Betta is 20l tank with minimum 1 near-surface reaching live plant or "Betta Bed" artificial leaf on which the animal can rest near the surface, with some filtering and regular water change.

Aquarium is not a hobby for people who don't like to spend money on anything beyond the animal and don't want to abide to the most basic rules of what they're doing.

Round container = bad
Tiny container = bad
Empty container = bad

Round, tiny, empty container = catastrophically bad. :P
Edited by Similis, Nov 15 2014, 01:35 PM.
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dycki1231
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okay, so I suggest Delta Overlord to think of buying a 20L aquarium with plenty of aquatic plant for basic setup , it would be standard for feeding any small freshwater fish. There would be more fish to choose . The only problem is that the cost would be square but in term of moral value I agree that we need to give the best environment we can to the pet as we decide to keep it well until it died.
Forget about the basic setup, it only means that betta can withstand this poor condition but nothing means to our responsibility to our fish.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I'd say a 6 gallon tank would be suitable for very small goldfish, or a single beta
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Similis
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Baby goldfish can indeed be kept in tiny tanks (though with their metabolism it's kinda pointless :P) but the adults, if healthy, grow to ~25cm and it should be taken into consideration... but both Goldfish of all sorts and Betta are being sold as 'ultra-nano' pets despite not quite being so.
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MightyFan217
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OH YESSS!

Hmmm. So it's very clear that Betta fish are more complicated than it seemed to me back when I was in 6th Grade and my teachers had me caring for a Betta Fish each day until the end of the year.

So, in that case, what would be the easiest fish to care for in regards to a "cheap, low maintenance" sort of idea in regards to budget? Or is there no type of fish like that?
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Delta Overlord
Nov 15 2014, 05:11 PM
Hmmm. So it's very clear that Betta fish are more complicated than it seemed to me back when I was in 6th Grade and my teachers had me caring for a Betta Fish each day until the end of the year.

So, in that case, what would be the easiest fish to care for in regards to a "cheap, low maintenance" sort of idea in regards to budget? Or is there no type of fish like that?
No aquarium fish can be kept by beginners in a tank without filtration (it's not really that expensive or hard to maintain), some can be kept without heaters. You should keep in mind that the bigger your tank is the easier your time with taking care of it will be (up until ~200 litres, because then you have LOTS of water to handle). anything less than 50 litres is simply inconvenient to try and keep healthy - and I speak from my own experience with these tanks.

Are you looking for warm tropical water tank 25 degrees Celsius and more or something closer to 20?

In the second case, White Clouds and Goldfish are indeed low maintenance, though goldfish will demand at least 200 litre tank when fully grown for a pair to have enough space to swim comfortably without demolishing the tank's decoration. White Clouds would fit into ~50 litre tank, Zebra Danios would serve the same role, provided you give both a tank that is roughly 2 times longer than it's tall and wide (so 60x30x30cm aquarium will do nicely). Both White Clouds and Danios require company so keep at least 8 of them to keep them happy.

In case of the former, you have lots to choose from, as long as you give them a heater and maintain stable temperature - usually good to get a heater with thermostat. Most basic and forgiving fish are usually the livebearers - guppies and platys. Don't even consider Mollys or Swordtails unless you have a 100+ litre tank on your mind, they don't grow small and are stocky fish - mollys also like their water to have a small addition of salt. There's a wide array of tetras to choose from - some of them more, some less forgiving about the conditions - tetras need company, keep at least 8. In a tank I mentioned above 8 tetras would do nicely. Catfishes from the genus Corydoras vary with tolerance, but the aeneus species I remember being rather sturdy - it requires food for bottom feeders.

Contrary to what you assume, Betta splendnes is an extremely easy fish to keep if you provide him/her with the basic conditions. From my own adventures with this species I can tell you they're easier to take care of than livebearers, certainly more hardy than tetras and aren't as secretive as some catfish species. If you REALLY want an aquarium that'll be low on maintenance, then don't bother with fish. Grab a small cube, throw in some of the local water snails and enjoy it. Contrary to popular belief, snails aren't as dull as people assume. :P

PS, if you can afford 100 litre tank and above Convict Cichlids are good beginner's fish. They're complete assholes and a pair will not tolerate any other fish in their tank, but from what I remember about them living in my friend's aquarium, they're mostly indestructible and will tolerate small to moderate mistakes on the owner's part.
Edited by Similis, Nov 15 2014, 05:48 PM.
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Furka
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No aquarium fish can be kept by beginners in a tank without filtration


On this I'd like to disagree, I kept a baby wels catfish for weeks in a plastic container without filter, but a good amount of floating Ceratophyllum.
Although it's definately safer to use proper filtration systems.
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Furka
Nov 15 2014, 06:23 PM
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No aquarium fish can be kept by beginners in a tank without filtration


On this I'd like to disagree, I kept a baby wels catfish for weeks in a plastic container without filter, but a good amount of floating Ceratophyllum.
Although it's definately safer to use proper filtration systems.
It is entirely pointless, plastic container would not have water change so in his view , fish will not have a natural sustainable environment for it to grow healthy. The fishes mentioned above just tolerance to the low oxygen content, which make them easy to feed. The 20L tank he describe would definitly stimulate the natural environment for the fish
Edited by dycki1231, Nov 15 2014, 10:18 PM.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

it seems perhaps we are thinking of a different meaning with "goldfish"
I was thinking of the heavily breed designer forms many of which can be around an inch long when full grown
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stargatedalek
Nov 15 2014, 09:38 PM
it seems perhaps we are thinking of a different meaning with "goldfish"
I was thinking of the heavily breed designer forms many of which can be around an inch long when full grown
Wat.

Can you link me to an article/page about them? First time I hear about something like this.
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

Every forms of goldfish grow up beyond 6-8 inches if I am not wrong... That's what I heard.

If you meant "glofish" which is a form of zebra danio that get jellyfish gene to shine brightly then yes.
Edited by Mathius Tyra, Nov 15 2014, 11:46 PM.
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I did some more research and it seems I was mistaken
its only that some breeds are more highly varied in size, no particular breed as a whole that is the same size
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

The more original form such as comet and veiltail can grow up bigger than the more derived breed such as lionhead or black moore, but all of them are still too large to be kept in regular fish tank for beginner like libe bearers or betta.
Edited by Mathius Tyra, Nov 15 2014, 11:58 PM.
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