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Animal Combinations; Mixed exhibits questions
Topic Started: Nov 23 2014, 09:51 PM (123,732 Views)
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stargatedalek
Apr 20 2017, 08:27 PM
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Apr 20 2017, 07:03 PM
I normally don't ask for extinct animals but I was pondering this today.

Would Spinosaurus and Sarcosuchus work?

I'm going to assume no but couldn't hurt to ask.
They didn't actually coexist in life, just pointing that out since so many documentaries claim they did.

It would probably work, neither was adapted for hunting large semi-aquatic animals. Both were likely fish specialists.
I would've said Suchomimus instead but I figured the answer wouldn't change so meh.

I'm getting mixed answers though :/

Not sure if their relationship would be like gators and snapping turtles (which is done irl) or like hippos and crocs (a big no-no).

I'll just scrap the idea. Btw, are there any med-large theropod combos that could work out? Theropod exhibits quickly become repetitive in a dino park.
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More like a gharial and a river dolphin. One is a docile predator, the other very active, both adapted to hunt fish but large enough to severely injure each other if they were to fight.

I'm fairly certain there aren't any Spinosaurus remains from 112 MYA. If I recall correctly that's the max age of the formation, but not any Spinosaurus remains.
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Perhaps Utahraptor and Deinonychus

Galimimus and Ornithomimus and/or Oviraptor

Carnotaurus and Allosaurus (Probably wouldn't work but would be cool)

Here's a list of medium sized theropods:
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I doubt you could really combine mid-sized theropods that were not Ornithomimids, Oviraptosaurs or maybe some smaller coelurosaurs.
As for Tylosaurus, the only thing you'd likely be able to house with it are very small fishes that it wouldn't care about.
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Furka
Apr 21 2017, 02:17 AM
I doubt you could really combine mid-sized theropods that were not Ornithomimids, Oviraptosaurs or maybe some smaller coelurosaurs.
As for Tylosaurus, the only thing you'd likely be able to house with it are very small fishes that it wouldn't care about.
or really big fishes it won't care about. :P
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We don't know the behaviors of very many theropods, as long as ones a scavenger and the other prefers much larger prey you should be fine.

IIRC Tylosaurus was a moderately specialized turtle hunter, so just pretend it's a tiger shark and decide viable tank mates by scaling down other animals and comparing.
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The issue with putting predators together is that specialization doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. Predators by nature are opportunistic, so anything that is easy to catch and eat that will satisfy say, a Tylosaurus, in the moment should not be housed with it. Tylosaurus, being an apex predator, was most likely not so specialized that it wouldn't pass up most meals. Smaller fish might not be of interest, very few if any fish are large enough to not be seen as prey.

Another thing, just because they don't eat each other doesn't mean they won't fight or kill each other. And anyway most theropods were probably opportunistic scavengers at most. As long as one is smaller than the other, it's fair game, and if they are the same size, they could fight due to competition, territoriality, etc. I would not house a raccoon and a fox together, nor a tiger and a brown bear.
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You say that, but I've seen foxes housed with bears, large sharks with dolphin fish, raccoons with owls, and eagles with ravens. Behavior matters a hell of a lot more than you're giving credit.
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I don't really see your point? That's what I was saying, just because a behavior might exist doesn't mean an animal is confined to it. All of those combos sound like they would work fine, because the animals are in very different niches or sizes. Putting two predators of a similar size in similar niches together would spell disaster, which is why I would not put most medium-sized theropods together.
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magpiealamode
Apr 21 2017, 02:01 PM
I don't really see your point? That's what I was saying, just because a behavior might exist doesn't mean an animal is confined to it. All of those combos sound like they would work fine, because the animals are in very different niches or sizes. Putting two predators of a similar size in similar niches together would spell disaster, which is why I would not put most medium-sized theropods together.
All of those animals are in competition or even predator prey in the wild. An animal doesn't have to be domesticated to become very tame in captivity, not just towards people but other animals.
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Oh okay well, tbh it's hard to know with dinosaurs. So I guess everyone would have their own interpretation, within reason of course. I probably would shy away from most combos, but that's just me.
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I see both your povs.

Some odd combos have been done irl that wouldn't always work, but due to the individual animal's temperament they do work out.

However it's better to be safe than sorry.

I like to re-imagine the spinosaurids as Crane-like in terms of behavior. So I figured a giant, flightless, crane wouldn't take sh*t from some crocs. I'm not a paleobuff so maybe that's an ignorant way of envisioning these animals.
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I think they were more amphibious than cranes. An anhinga would be a much better analogue.
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Could I keep together in the same enclosure a non-breeding group of 3 Nile crocodile females with one American alligator male ?
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American crocs are already trouble to gators because they are more aggressive, so considering Niles seem to be even more I wouldn't do that.
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