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| Animal Combinations; Mixed exhibits questions | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 23 2014, 09:51 PM (123,724 Views) | |
| Stephen | Jun 11 2017, 02:36 PM Post #2416 |
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Theoretically, maybe it's possible. However, you would need to keep a breeding group of elephants, since it seems even riskier to keep rhinos with a bachelor group of elephants (not entirely sure how agressive elephants are if there are no females present?). So, for the elephants you'd need two exhibits: one to keep your male and one to keep your group. For the rhinos on the other hand: If you intend to breed them, you'd need two exhibits as well. Option 1: Have 2 enclosures for elephants (1 for males, 1 for when there are babies), 1 or 2 separation enclosures for the rhinos, and one large paddock that they can all access when there are no babies. Now this would be rather inefficient since you'd use an enormous amount of space, probably a whole lot more than what you have planned. Now you could use the main paddock for elephants-only if they have babies and put your rhinos in their separate enclosure for a year or so (you'd need at least two in case your mama rhino has a baby too), but that wouldn't save much space. I'd go for at least an exhibit size of 4 or even 5 hectares Option 2: Have 1 main enclosure that can be divided into two parts, and then have one separate enclosure for either species. This would save you some space, but your species would be in separate enclosures a lot of the time if you breed them regularly. 2.2 hectares is also still not that large for these two species, they could do with some more (especially if your zoo is located in a temperate climate, then both species could use a big indoor exhibit as well and 2.2 hectares isn't going to cut it in that case) Option 3: Go for Option 2, but with a bachelor group of elephants and/or only one rhino. That way you don't have to build separate enclosures for either species (or just for the rhinos if you do want to breed them). If your bachelor group has an annoying bull or if it just doesn't work out, you can divide the main enclosure and have 2 separate enclosures without any problems. In ZT2 you can just imagine that the elephants have a friendly nature and leave the main paddock open all the time. You won't have the added attention of baby elephants but eh, this is by far the most space-efficient option, so this really is the only option if you absolutely cannot give them more space than 2.2 hectares. |
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| dolphinking23 | Jun 11 2017, 07:18 PM Post #2417 |
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SeaWorld had a rescued harp seal a few years back,they would sometimes display with belugas.. they also did the same with a pair of harbor seals Edited by dolphinking23, Jun 11 2017, 07:19 PM.
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| KoenZoo | Jun 12 2017, 12:50 PM Post #2418 |
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Thank you for your long response. I was thinking of breeding with at least the Rhinos, while I would maybe keep a group of "retired" female Elephants who wouldn't be used anymore for breeding (I believe Burgers Zoo does the same with two Elephants). But ideally I would like to breed with both species. The idea was to have a main paddock of 2.2 hectares, for the female Rhinos and female Elephants (probably two Rhinos and three Elephants) This would be build on one map (I believe that is ingame a medium sized map, but with a large map I can't build a larger exhibit because my game will crash). On a second map I will build indoor stables for both the Rhinos and Elephants and also paddocks for the male Rhino and male Elephant. I would make the large paddock so that it can be divided in three parts, one for one female Rhino, one for the other female Rhino and one for the Elephants. Would that be okay or still be too small? I don't know how large exhibits in others zoos are, but I see the AZA recommends a minimum of 500 sq m per Elephant. While the total size of my main paddock would be around 22.400 sq m. That should be sufficient enough for three Elephants and two Rhinos I would guess? Chester Zoo has an exhibit of 5.900 sq m and I see they were keeping 2.8.5 Asian Elephants at one moment. |
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| Esbardo | Jun 13 2017, 05:46 AM Post #2419 |
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What species could I place with orangutans? I've seen them with gibbons, small clawed otters and even koi fish in some zoos, but what other creatures could live side by side with the red apes ? |
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| Furka | Jun 13 2017, 05:55 AM Post #2420 |
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I know tapirs have been kept with orangs. |
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| AnimalGenius | Jun 13 2017, 07:07 AM Post #2421 |
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Just a ZT Youtuber
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Okapi? Bongos? Maybe even langurs or lemurs? |
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| Zoo Tycooner FR | Jun 13 2017, 07:55 AM Post #2422 |
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@AnimalGenius: Eh geographically it wouldn't make sense except for the langurs. Orangutans can be kept with tons of species: otters, babirusas, langurs (javan for ex.), binturong, tapirs, siamangs and gibbons etc... along with quite some birds such as gamefowls (peafowls, peacock-pheasants) or crane. Edited by Zoo Tycooner FR, Jun 13 2017, 07:59 AM.
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| KoenZoo | Jun 13 2017, 03:22 PM Post #2423 |
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I think you could look to the natural behaviour of the Orangutan and potential other species. Also Orangutans are arboreal so they can be kept easier with species who don't get in air (for example Tapirs). Some zoos even have ropes hanging over visitor paths, so you can maybe even combine them with species without even really combining them. For example Elephants. If you want to make an interesting exhibit you could maybe "combine" them with Elephants. I don't need to tell you that a Orangutan walking in the Elephant exhibit ain't a good idea, but you could give the Orangutans their own space and that they could get above the Elephant exhibit via ropes. ![]() The picture shows you what Ouwehands Zoo in The Netherlands does with visitors. The same could be done but than with Elephants below them. Of course there is still a risk of falling down, so I wouldn't put Tigers below them, but I think with Elephants (and enough space that the Orangutans can get away) or other species you can combine them pretty easy. Now I'm typing this I'm thinking of doing this myself
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| TheToastinator | Jun 13 2017, 06:02 PM Post #2424 |
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A piece of toast and a terminator.
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Can I combine Ring-Tailed Lemurs and Ground Rollers? |
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| Burns | Jun 13 2017, 07:00 PM Post #2425 |
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King of Lemurs
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Probably, although in game the ground rollers attack the lemurs. |
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| Dylan | Jun 14 2017, 05:48 AM Post #2426 |
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Could peafowl and pangolins be combined? |
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| Fireplume | Jun 14 2017, 11:58 AM Post #2427 |
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Snok Snok Snerson
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Likely, though idk if the space required for the peafowl would stress the pangolins. |
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| stargatedalek | Jun 14 2017, 12:42 PM Post #2428 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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Why would more space stress them? Correct me if I'm wrong but pangolins are good climbers yes? So they'd require similar styles of exhibit. I assume you're referring to giant pangolins because the others can't realistically be kept with anything. The peafowl would undoubtedly prefer to be free roaming though. |
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| Anton | Jun 14 2017, 12:48 PM Post #2429 |
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They probably can be kept together, but there's many reasons why a zoo wouldn't. -First of all, you can throw pangolin breeding out of the window. They're hard enough to breed as is, let alone when constantly terrorized by aggressive birds. -You'd never be able to see the pangolins; they are strictly nocturnal animals, and even then, shy ones at that. Meanwhile, peafowl are strictly diurnal. Doesn't really add up. -Pangolins are honestly interesting enough to deserve their own enclosure; why try being risky when you could do much more in the way of educating guests with a specialized exhibit for them? |
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| Dylan | Jun 14 2017, 01:25 PM Post #2430 |
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OKay. I was just wondering. |
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