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The New Cryptid Discussion topic; Discuss here !
Topic Started: Aug 11 2015, 01:22 PM (6,297 Views)
Paleop
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perhaps sasquatch would have much stronger senses than humans? it would definitely help them avoid discovery.

anyways, never knew about the mission to find pandas
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Alright, I'll admit that maybe the existence of large undiscovered hominids isn't as easily dismissed as I assumed. While I'm entirely open to the possibility, I'll still only be truly convinced once an undeniable specimen (living or dead) is found and shown to the scientific community. Of course, I'm assuming that applies to everyone here.
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CyborgIguana
Aug 20 2015, 04:07 PM
Alright, I'll admit that maybe the existence of large undiscovered hominids isn't as easily dismissed as I assumed. While I'm entirely open to the possibility, I'll still only be truly convinced once an undeniable specimen (living or dead) is found and shown to the scientific community. Of course, I'm assuming that applies to everyone here.
indeed or if sightings skyrocket to almost daily clear sightings XD
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Aug 20 2015, 04:07 PM
Alright, I'll admit that maybe the existence of large undiscovered hominids isn't as easily dismissed as I assumed. While I'm entirely open to the possibility, I'll still only be truly convinced once an undeniable specimen (living or dead) is found and shown to the scientific community. Of course, I'm assuming that applies to everyone here.
Aside from Dinosaw who doesn't appear interested in using anything close to a scientific process, yes I'm pretty sure we can all agree that we cannot say for certain until that happens, short of engaging in some form of personal experience related to a Sasquatch

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perhaps sasquatch would have much stronger senses than humans? it would definitely help them avoid discovery.
Considering that most species do, this is almost certainly the case
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Let's not forget that when it comes to fish most people tend to exagerate the size of the thing they have seen/caught. Never understood if it's sheer ignorance, a mistake caused by water reflection or just people trying to look cool.
Just throwing my two cents here:

Humans are notoriously bad at judging size; especially if we don't get to take a look at the object in question for an extended period of time. This experiment has been repeated (I believe once even on an episode of Monster Quest) several times, and has consistently shown that when people only get to see something for a few seconds from a great distance, they will often remember it as having been several times its actual size.

These effects can be exaggerated when under stress; presumably as part of our survival instincts, but I don't know.
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How about the Congolese Water Elephant, there's an explaination like a moerithere or such, or even a species of african tapir
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Murdock129
Aug 20 2015, 09:32 PM
CyborgIguana
Aug 20 2015, 04:07 PM
Alright, I'll admit that maybe the existence of large undiscovered hominids isn't as easily dismissed as I assumed. While I'm entirely open to the possibility, I'll still only be truly convinced once an undeniable specimen (living or dead) is found and shown to the scientific community. Of course, I'm assuming that applies to everyone here.
Aside from Dinosaw who doesn't appear interested in using anything close to a scientific process, yes I'm pretty sure we can all agree that we cannot say for certain until that happens, short of engaging in some form of personal experience related to a Sasquatch

I have a theory about Bigfoot: Legends about bidepal apes exists almost everywhere on the Planet besides Europe and Africa ( I heard about an Australopithecus like cryptid but I think it doesn't match pretty good to bigfoot and there was a similar legend and this creature is called gorilla today ) So it would be possible that as the humans left Africa and came to Asia they met gigantopithecus and this ape evolved in a mythological creature in their religion. As they came to America and Australia they had still this legend, although gigantopithecus lived just in Asia. but this theory doesn't explain the sightings.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:28 AM
This experiment has been repeated (I believe once even on an episode of Monster Quest) several times, and has consistently shown that when people only get to see something for a few seconds from a great distance, they will often remember it as having been several times its actual size.
IIRC the experiment specifically used a bird model (in the Thunderbird episode), and while people didn't always assume it to be bigger than it was, no one got the size right, or even close.

It was either Monster Quest or another where they did an experiment with Lake Monsters as well where they put a small stick out of the water designed to look like the traditional image of the Loch Ness Monster's head and neck, and while the majority when asked to draw what they'd seen at first glance drew something similar what was there, at least one in ten drew the image of there being a large body underneath the stick as well.

That person was also the only one to be an apparent avid believer in the Loch Ness Monster, which helps show that on a quick glance it's all too easy to not just get size incorrect, but also the features and attributes wrong, made worse by a prior bias.

In all honesty, if you're going out there with the belief something is definitely real and you're looking for that perception you already have, then you're doing Cryptozoology wrong.

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How about the Congolese Water Elephant, there's an explaination like a moerithere or such, or even a species of african tapir
The Congolese Water Elephant is definitely a lot more plausible than Dinosaurs and the other stuff usually reported from the Congo, it's not impossible that an unknown large species resides there. While it wouldn't be a Moeritherium itself, but a divergent evolutionary line from Moeritheriums is not completely impossible, though remains rather implausible. An African Tapir is unlikely since no Tapir fossils have ever be found in Africa. This all being said I'm much more inclined to say this is a misidentified Hippo or other similar local species, rather than some more outlandish new species

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I have a theory about Bigfoot: Legends about bidepal apes exists almost everywhere on the Planet besides Europe and Africa ( I heard about an Australopithecus like cryptid but I think it doesn't match pretty good to bigfoot and there was a similar legend and this creature is called gorilla today ) So it would be possible that as the humans left Africa and came to Asia they met gigantopithecus and this ape evolved in a mythological creature in their religion. As they came to America and Australia they had still this legend, although gigantopithecus lived just in Asia. but this theory doesn't explain the sightings
What you're suggesting is something akin to culture and genetic memory, this is a very plausible theory, especially when you compare Bigfoot with Dragons, a species that is more implausible (I'm hesitant to call anything truly impossible, but Dragons are as close as I'll get to it) than almost anything, yet is in mythology worldwide, most likely due to Dragons being a combination of early mankind's fears (Flying creatures, fire, reptiles).

As for the sightings, if people hear enough about Bigfoot, then go out into the woods and see something, say a bear, their mind could easily quickly assume that the bear is Bigfoot.

Even if Bigfoot isn't a real creature, it's a fascinating study in human Psychology
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Aug 21 2015, 12:28 AM
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Let's not forget that when it comes to fish most people tend to exagerate the size of the thing they have seen/caught. Never understood if it's sheer ignorance, a mistake caused by water reflection or just people trying to look cool.
Just throwing my two cents here:

Humans are notoriously bad at judging size; especially if we don't get to take a look at the object in question for an extended period of time. This experiment has been repeated (I believe once even on an episode of Monster Quest) several times, and has consistently shown that when people only get to see something for a few seconds from a great distance, they will often remember it as having been several times its actual size.

These effects can be exaggerated when under stress; presumably as part of our survival instincts, but I don't know.
It's one thing when you can barely see the animal, but when you have a handful at your feet and you can hold one and compare it to any unit of measurement it's just bs. I've seen people do carnages of small fish claiming a much larger size than what they really were (and if authorities did their work that woul be worth a big fine, but I'm going offtopic here).

Regarding the congolese elephant, what about some large aquatic turtle ? a greyish colour and a long neck that could be mistaken for a trunk seem plausible to me.
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What about others cryptids such as the Ozark Howler? Could that be an undiscovered species, or larger than average individuals of a known species, like bears, wolves or pumas? Then they're the sounds it's supposed to make, I've heard Fishers (Martes pennanti) can make a loud screaming/screeching sounds, so could they contribute to the Ozark Howlers calls?
Edited by Ulquiorra, Aug 21 2015, 02:44 PM.
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Aug 21 2015, 08:02 AM
Regarding the congolese elephant, what about some large aquatic turtle ? a greyish colour and a long neck that could be mistaken for a trunk seem plausible to me.
Plenty plausible theory, though I'm more inclined to go Hippo due to the supposed size of the creature, I certainly wouldn't discount turtles.

And I admit to knowing little about the Ozark Howler, I'll go research it a bit after college and get back to you
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I'm just going to leave this here because we had this in an old topic and I want to see what people's opinion of this now is.

Please do not scream "bear" because bears do not have the ability to pull sideways or defined shoulders.
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Aug 21 2015, 05:20 PM

I'm just going to leave this here because we had this in an old topic and I want to see what people's opinion of this now is.

Please do not scream "bear" because bears do not have the ability to pull sideways or defined shoulders.
seems like a guy in a suit, did you see how many leaves and twigs that guy would've stepped on?
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Furka
Aug 21 2015, 08:02 AM
Regarding the congolese elephant, what about some large aquatic turtle ? a greyish colour and a long neck that could be mistaken for a trunk seem plausible to me.
This is IMO also the most likely explanation for the Mokele-mbembe.
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Aug 21 2015, 05:59 PM
Flish
Aug 21 2015, 05:20 PM

I'm just going to leave this here because we had this in an old topic and I want to see what people's opinion of this now is.

Please do not scream "bear" because bears do not have the ability to pull sideways or defined shoulders.
seems like a guy in a suit, did you see how many leaves and twigs that guy would've stepped on?
I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't see how the leaves and twigs he ran over had to do with the subject?
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