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The New Cryptid Discussion topic; Discuss here !
Topic Started: Aug 11 2015, 01:22 PM (6,295 Views)
Paleodude
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Recently I've been thinking, could most of the cryptids we associate with myth actually be some of the last mega-fauna that went extinct in the last thousand years? Most of the cryptids most commonly talked about are large primeval looking beasts that have eluded man's watchful eye. Perhaps the ignorant human out competed the giant hominids like Sasquatch and the yeti, or maybe became more efficient than the nandi bear. Just a little thought, after all something as bizare as a giant ground sloth was hunted to extinction. Who says cryptids couldn't have been?
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stargatedalek
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I don't put any merit in the more "cliche" cryptids, fact is bigfoot is just far to popular for me to put any merit in a report.

I do think its plausible however that some cryptids could be based on such things, one notable example I recall was cyclops myths being based on the skulls of dwarf elephants.
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How plausible is the Mothman? I don't won't here 'its an owl', because I've read the book, Mothman Prophecies, and from the phenomenon I've seen in this, it's too much to be a coincidence.
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stargatedalek
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Look, I'm sorry for saying "it's an owl", but honestly it just plain makes sense. Every reported sighting I've heard had the same things in it: it was always at night, always got hit by a car, always had glowing eyes, always had a humanoid head, and always had wings that were torn or rough, nothing like an insects.

Owl eyes glow when a light hits them, owls are out at night, (sadly) owls are frequent victims of vehicle collisions, owls have heads that look very humanoid, and owls have wings that (especially when damaged by a vehicle) would appear rough or tattered.
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Agreed, it was almost certainly just an especially large owl.
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Cross
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stargatedalek
Aug 23 2015, 06:36 PM
Look, I'm sorry for saying "it's an owl", but honestly it just plain makes sense. Every reported sighting I've heard had the same things in it: it was always at night, always got hit by a car, always had glowing eyes, always had a humanoid head, and always had wings that were torn or rough, nothing like an insects.

Owl eyes glow when a light hits them, owls are out at night, (sadly) owls are frequent victims of vehicle collisions, owls have heads that look very humanoid, and owls have wings that (especially when damaged by a vehicle) would appear rough or tattered.
'Got hit by a car'? He was never hit by a car. and to go more into detail, along with him came a rash of Ufo sightings, Hallucinations, dreams, and Electrical problems in the area.

He could have been a "Tulpas", which are electrical Hallucinations created up in the mind. I might as well open up a Ufology topic as well. Since I live around that area, I might investigate when I get to age.
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stargatedalek
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I don't understand, why do you claim to know so much about "mothman" but clearly haven't ever read a single supposed sighting?

Your use of gender pronouns to describe an unfortunate series of injured owls and implications that you are very young take away credibility greatly from your idea.
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I agree with Stargate. Honestly your, Fredbear's, post sounds like you are angry because Stargate doesn't agree with you.
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Luca9108
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Isn't there a native american's legend about an giant owl?
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As much as we historically don't get along, Stargate is correct on this subject, and... I'm not going to try and spell your full username, Humu makes a good point, you sound pretty passive aggressive about SGD not agreeing with your unconditional belief in a very implausible creature.

Also, no, Tulpas are not 'Electrical Hallucinations' they're either creatures brought into existence via belief in Buddhist mythology (known in the west as 'Thoughtforms') or are self induced hallucinations based on belief, electricity historically has nothing to do with it, though hallucinations are a plausible partial explanation to the Mothman, along with misidentified owls (and potentially cranes) and general false reporting grown from the myth.

Also, Luca, the Apache tribe had legends of a giant known as Big Owl which could transform between it's humanoid form (a large man eating ogre) and a large horned owl big enough to carry off a child. He was basically the Apache version of the bogeyman
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Murdock129
Aug 24 2015, 05:45 AM
along with misidentified owls (and potentially cranes)
Cranes don't seem so likely to me, they look quite different from the description ... I'd rather go with gulls, they don't look that different from owls at night.
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Sandhill Cranes are a commonly cited possibility for the Mothman given it's basic similarities to the creature when viewed in the dark (stands at man height with a seven-foot wingspan and has circles of red around the eyes)

While admittedly an Owl fits descriptions better, a Crane could easily explain the size, and when combined with sightings of owls it'd be easy for the combination of the two species to form this story of a supernatural creature
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Murdock129
Aug 24 2015, 05:45 AM
the Apache tribe had legends of a giant known as Big Owl
Here I was thinking it would have some badass name. xD

I also read one "Mothman" sighting where the creature was perched on a billboard or something (how they even saw it up there is beyond me) and it swooped across the road and was struck by the car. That is bird of prey behavior- sitting from a vantage point and then swooping down. Especially in that sighting, it was most certainly an owl going after some creature on the side of the road, only to collide with a car. Luckily because no Mothman body has been recovered we can take a little happiness from the fact that owls probably don't die a lot in these collisions, at least the ones that are reported to be caused by a giant, winged man.
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Murdock129
Aug 24 2015, 05:45 AM
As much as we historically don't get along, Stargate is correct on this subject, and... I'm not going to try and spell your full username, Humu makes a good point, you sound pretty passive aggressive about SGD not agreeing with your unconditional belief in a very implausible creature.

Also, no, Tulpas are not 'Electrical Hallucinations' they're either creatures brought into existence via belief in Buddhist mythology (known in the west as 'Thoughtforms') or are self induced hallucinations based on belief, electricity historically has nothing to do with it, though hallucinations are a plausible partial explanation to the Mothman, along with misidentified owls (and potentially cranes) and general false reporting grown from the myth.

Also, Luca, the Apache tribe had legends of a giant known as Big Owl which could transform between it's humanoid form (a large man eating ogre) and a large horned owl big enough to carry off a child. He was basically the Apache version of the bogeyman
Might as well decide to post a Lot of information on my ever growing knowledge of this Phenomena.

On Tulpas
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I know more than you think I do, and I don't want to screw up my rep again. I wasn't being angry, I was trying answer your questions.

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Aug 24 2015, 04:37 PM
I know more than you think I do
We (or at least I) don't doubt you've researched the reports a lot, the issue I have is your apparent willingness to take the reports at face value with minimal (if any) critical thinking, or consideration for alternative (and more rational) explanations to this phenomenon.

Blind belief is just as bad, if not worse, than blind denial.

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close, but my knowledge from my book says something else. Basically they are Physcological constructs, Hallucinations, and momentary Materializations of other dimensions sneaking into our senses, and beyond of our instruments
Besides the 'materializations of other dimensions' thing, which I have never heard in any regard related to Tulpas, that's basically exactly what I just said, they are psychological constructs and hallucinations created via belief in them within the human psyche
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