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Nessie explained.
Topic Started: Mar 11 2016, 12:39 PM (2,039 Views)
stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

When I said "busted" I was referring to the blatant hoaxes, not whether an otter could hold its head out of water. I said specifically if it had the proportions of a plesiosaur it would probably not be able to hold its head out of the water.

I'm not going to try to explain a dumb story blatantly made up about a fake creature climbing out of water and attacking sheep, that's for you to waste your life on not me. I gave you what you asked for, credible evidence of a catfish attacking prey on land, and you attacked me for it. So please don't try to play victim here. Last favour I will ever do for you, google "catfish attack land" yourself next time before you start running your mouth about how every reasonable idea is wrong and your magical creature must exist.
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the dark phoenix
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stargatedalek
Mar 11 2016, 10:55 PM
When I said "busted" I was referring to the blatant hoaxes, not whether an otter could hold its head out of water. I said specifically if it had the proportions of a plesiosaur it would probably not be able to hold its head out of the water.

I'm not going to try to explain a dumb story blatantly made up about a fake creature climbing out of water and attacking sheep, that's for you to waste your life on not me. I gave you what you asked for, credible evidence of a catfish attacking prey on land, and you attacked me for it. So please don't try to play victim here. Last favour I will ever do for you, google "catfish attack land" yourself next time before you start running your mouth about how every reasonable idea is wrong and your magical creature must exist.
I never intended to attack you and I greatly apologize for ticking you off.

Everything I have looked at points at some form of tetrapod either a reptile or a mammal. I honestly don't care if it exists or not. For all I know the thing is extinct IF it even existed.

I just wanted to say my views on the creature, not go into a heated debate and loose friends. Again I am sorry, have a good evening.
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Firstly, just a little tip there are things called hoaxes. People give bullshit stories for attention all the time and I'm sure a many if not all terrestrial accounts are just that. Secondly, yes an otter looks serpentine, but that doesn't affect how a partially terrestrial animal could go unseen, the fact that the otter would need to be absolutely massive and the fact that no fossil evidence points towards a large otter in prehistoric Scotland.
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the dark phoenix
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Who said it had to be large? Distance and exaggeration are as harmful to a story as a hoax is. It could be slightly larger than a Amazon otter rather than the behemoth people think it is.

Also I am aware of fakes. A cryptoclidus model tossed into the loch, a horn of a munjac said to be a tooth. I have heard the hoaxes even the most famous picture of it is a hoax.

Since I appear to have infuriated people I considered friends, I no longer wish to discuss this.
Edited by the dark phoenix, Mar 11 2016, 11:38 PM.
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I doubt anyone here is infuriated. This is a debate over something that's been debatable for over a century, people are just stating their opinions but nothing should be personal
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So we're ignoring land based accounts?

Like i said before those are more rooted on the native celtic folklore of scotland than on any actual creature

More specifically, this particular myth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie

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I heard there was a african otter larger than the amazon species who ate crocodiles when it wanted to and lived along side giant baboons and Australopithecus. I may be exaggerating Enhydriodon due to fragmentary remains but Otters are known to get stupidly big.


That's exactly what you're doing yes.

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They can also keep their heads up and out of the water for long periods of time, What can a sturgeon do? Two seconds before gravity pulls it under again?


You don't have a lot of experience with Sturgeons do you? The answer to that question is A LOT

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Amongst large freshwater fishes, sturgeons are known to have some of the most bizarre breaching behaviours, to the point that when the large ones breach they can look almost like whales. While true they may not keep their necks out of water all the time (because that would require having a neck for a start), but they can easily look vaguely cetacean like or even serpentine while doing so.

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A large otter moves up and down so it or more than one of it can produce the characteristic humps, Fish move side to side.


The "humped" and "classical long necked" accounts were thoroughly disproven and admitted as hoaxes many times, as in, check my earlier link.

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There are a few land accounts of these attacking livestock, unless mudskippers are native to the loch, fish don't attack on land.


And like american "chupacabra" attacks, those can easily be explained by natural causes such as the decay process and so on...

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Yes it has the disadvantage of breathing air but otters borrow, there are many lake scans and searches but I don't hear much on shore or land based searches.


Because the shores are, y'know, habitated? So if there was genuinely a giant otter around there, chances are, it'd have already been spotted by now.


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Therefore I believe it is a otter. Unless you can show me a wels catfish crawling on land to maul a sheep, I believe it is a form of Semi-aquatic carnivorous mammal.


I've already explained you why the "land" accounts aren't to be taken seriously but since you've asked, here is an african catfish (Genus Clarias) crawling on land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCeZe12yj4
Edited by Yi Qi, Mar 12 2016, 12:41 AM.
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the dark phoenix
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I had to study sturgeon for a personal project as well as many school projects which I got As and A+s on. I am well aware of their history, diet, and locations. If You showed me what people call nessie and a sturgeon side by side, I will always tell you that the sturgeon is a sturgeon.

As I said before I don't want to do this discussion anymore. I still believe what I wish as it is my opinion just as much as you have your own and we both have a right to defend what we agree with. For now consider this your victory as I wish to no longer deal with this.
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