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Semiaquatic Fish-eating Anchylosaurid; Mother Nature M'lady. What the actual craccle did you smoke?
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stargatedalek
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As atrocious as the paper itself is the final conclusions are far from unrealistic.

A number of ankylosaur species are known to have lived in wet environments including deep forested swamps. These animals are far from an armored sinking rock, and were probably very adept surface swimmers. If we do conclude that these are juvenile animals as opposed to adaptations for swimming than it arguably makes even more sense, a lot of animals change their diet as they age. Juvenile Tanystropheus and some sauropods were likely insectivores for example. Not to mention it's actually been suggested before that ankylosaurs may have been omnivorous in general. Their teeth are certainly suited to it.
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I find the claim that it was an aquatic omnivorous ankylosaurs seems a bit ridiculous. As Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Basing the entire claim on one specimen seems a bit ridiculous, if they checked the isotopes and general wear of the teeth and it mostly resembled that of a piscavore then maybe you could make that claim.
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Wouldn't the teeth for grinding plants be just as useful for crushing the shells of insects? A ankylosaur happening on a rotten log and eating the grubs once in a while I can get, going out of its way for fast things such as fish seem a bit more ridiculous.

I agree that ankylosaurs were omnivores...but at the most they were herbivores until the opportunity presents itself to be a omnivore. Even then the omnivorous part of their diet would not have sushi in it.

They're armored capybaras or hippos, not snapping turtles.
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stargatedalek
Aug 30 2016, 05:14 PM
As atrocious as the paper itself is the final conclusions are far from unrealistic.

A number of ankylosaur species are known to have lived in wet environments including deep forested swamps. These animals are far from an armored sinking rock, and were probably very adept surface swimmers. If we do conclude that these are juvenile animals as opposed to adaptations for swimming than it arguably makes even more sense, a lot of animals change their diet as they age. Juvenile Tanystropheus and some sauropods were likely insectivores for example. Not to mention it's actually been suggested before that ankylosaurs may have been omnivorous in general. Their teeth are certainly suited to it.


Competent swimming does not a piscivore make.

Also, insectivorous sauropodlets? Details?

Also, last I heard about omnivorous ankies was when the beak of... I think it was Tarchia, was compared with the mouth of a sloth bear, making a point for potential ant eating. They'd need to be big ants, but still. It's not exactly catching fish.
Edited by Incinerox, Aug 30 2016, 07:10 PM.
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Pinacosaurus was also suggested to be an ant-eater
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Incinerox
Aug 30 2016, 07:05 PM
stargatedalek
Aug 30 2016, 05:14 PM
As atrocious as the paper itself is the final conclusions are far from unrealistic.

A number of ankylosaur species are known to have lived in wet environments including deep forested swamps. These animals are far from an armored sinking rock, and were probably very adept surface swimmers. If we do conclude that these are juvenile animals as opposed to adaptations for swimming than it arguably makes even more sense, a lot of animals change their diet as they age. Juvenile Tanystropheus and some sauropods were likely insectivores for example. Not to mention it's actually been suggested before that ankylosaurs may have been omnivorous in general. Their teeth are certainly suited to it.


Competent swimming does not a piscivore make.

Also, insectivorous sauropodlets? Details?

Also, last I heard about omnivorous ankies was when the beak of... I think it was Tarchia, was compared with the mouth of a sloth bear, making a point for potential ant eating. They'd need to be big ants, but still. It's not exactly catching fish.
I don't believe it was a piscivore, I think that conclusion was silly and presumptuous. What we have here is some actual evidence of omnivory (albeit still not enough to confidently claim frequent omnivory) in an ankylosaur, probably not a piscivorous species. I definitely worded my post poorly.

I can't find anything online. I swear I heard about insectivorous sauropodlets somewhere but I'm starting to think it was some low budget documentary, please disregard and add 2 grains of salt to my repertoire.
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stargatedalek
Aug 30 2016, 11:24 PM
I can't find anything online. I swear I heard about insectivorous sauropodlets somewhere but I'm starting to think it was some low budget documentary, please disregard and add 2 grains of salt to my repertoire.
Clash of the Dinosaurs. They had the baby Sauroposeidon eating insects. They also had parasaurolophus able to shoot concussive sonic waves from their noggins and lone Deinonychus killing sauropods twenty times their size.
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Classic paleodocumentary garbage.
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This is now officially My absolute favorite Ankylosaur ever because of its uniqueness and how it proves just how amazing and diverse Dinosaurs were

most of all it proves that Dinosaurs did NOT need to be giant, skyscraper sized titans to be able to capture the imagination and that size truly does not matter
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YixianIsLoveYixianIsLife
Sep 1 2016, 12:47 AM
This is now officially My absolute favorite Ankylosaur ever because of its uniqueness and how it proves just how amazing and diverse Dinosaurs were

most of all it proves that Dinosaurs did NOT need to be giant, skyscraper sized titans to be able to capture the imagination and that size truly does not matter
I suggest you read the following posts in this topic. As amazing as a tiny fish-eating ornithischian would be, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that described in the paper doesn't even begin to cut it.
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Aug 31 2016, 01:03 AM
stargatedalek
Aug 30 2016, 11:24 PM
I can't find anything online. I swear I heard about insectivorous sauropodlets somewhere but I'm starting to think it was some low budget documentary, please disregard and add 2 grains of salt to my repertoire.
Clash of the Dinosaurs. They had the baby Sauroposeidon eating insects. They also had parasaurolophus able to shoot concussive sonic waves from their noggins and lone Deinonychus killing sauropods twenty times their size.
the only good things about that fauxumentry was that it paved the way to last day of the dinosaurs (which they tried to improve upon their mistakes) and had some anatomy stuff in it.
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Too bad Last Day of the Dinos still didn't see fit to get rid of the superpowered deinonychosaurs that could bring down elephant-sized herbivores in pairs.
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