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WWIII; I'm not sure if this is in the right section or not.
Topic Started: Oct 13 2016, 11:55 PM (1,064 Views)
Denomon3144
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Pick a god and pray!

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I thought it'd be interesting to discuss the idea of a nuclear WWIII. If you Google "World War III," you'll see lots of articles on US-Russia/China hostility and Russian drills & warnings. Are these legitimate or not? Is nuclear war going to break out soon? It's an interesting thought.

Personally, I'd like to hope that our species is intelligent enough to realize that nuking other countries won't solve anything and will only lead to disaster. However, if we look at history, our species has done lots of idiotic things. Currently, I'd dismiss any WWIII news as conspiracy theories. Either way, I won't be worrying about it because (personally) I trust that Jesus will guide me through anything that happens.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
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I AM THE UNSHRINKWRAPPER!

From a purely secular viewpoint, WWIII is almost a certainty; tensions between the US and Russia are at their highest since the cold war, and from what I've heard the middle east and North Korea have basically declared war in advance, saying they'll start nuking their enemies as soon as they get their hands on the weaponry. In other news, terrorist attacks and shootings are getting ridiculously common, the US is stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding which depraved villain they want as their ultimate leader and society as a whole is falling apart. Basically, unless something big changes, we're all going to see full-scale war within the next few decades.

Times like this, I'm really thankful for Jesus.
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the dark phoenix
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Oct 14 2016, 12:20 AM
From a purely secular viewpoint, WWIII is almost a certainty; tensions between the US and Russia are at their highest since the cold war, and from what I've heard the middle east and North Korea have basically declared war in advance, saying they'll start nuking their enemies as soon as they get their hands on the weaponry. In other news, terrorist attacks and shootings are getting ridiculously common, the US is stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding which depraved villain they want as their ultimate leader and society as a whole is falling apart. Basically, unless something big changes, we're all going to see full-scale war within the next few decades.

Times like this, I'm really thankful for Jesus.
If anything if people are heading to the polls... At least get trump so we can get a godly man like Pence. Caine's a idiot from what I have seen.

As I said at ZTV I heard Putin is telling his people who are abroad to come back to Russia and he's moving his nukes around... I do worry about if WW3 will be a thing.
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babehunter1324
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This might be callous on my behalf but I found it very unlikely. If WWIII didn't break out during the cold war it much less likely to occur now.

The Russian Federation wouldn't had much of a chance on it's own in a conventional war against NATO, their army and air force is half way through the procrurement of new equippment, it doesn't have the population or economic strenght to sustain a prolonged conflict. At best they could try to launch a large scale attack on Ukraine with the hopes that NATO decides not to intervene directly.

NATO has been doing quite a bit of pushing around whether we consider it justified or not, against Russia, but while they would most likely be able to triumph in a conventional conflict the likelyhood that the conflict would became a nuclear one should really persuade them from taking action

China by all accounts, shouldn't be interested in taking part on a war, let alone one between NATO and Russia since they're really not allied with neither of them and it's on their best interest to keep a low profile until they match or surpass the USA in economic might.

Edited by babehunter1324, Oct 14 2016, 09:10 AM.
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Yutyrannus the second
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I mean, we do live in one of the most peaceful periods of time since quite a while. We have only a few wars, mostly in the middle east, as well as few aggressive terrorist groups. I doubt even Trump/Hillary and Putin going berserk in the next couple years would change much about the situation. In my opinion, we should be more concerned about global warming than a global war right now.
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Burns
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Even though times are scary and tensions are high, I think the majority of people forget the fact that in both governments the president is not the end all be all. Trump, Hillary, or Putin cannot just throw a hissy fit and launch the nukes immediately. The idea needs to go through Congress first and despite how stupid our congress is now, I doubt 535 people would all agree on destroying the planet.
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stargatedalek
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the dark phoenix
Oct 14 2016, 12:35 AM
Acinonyx Jubatus
Oct 14 2016, 12:20 AM
From a purely secular viewpoint, WWIII is almost a certainty; tensions between the US and Russia are at their highest since the cold war, and from what I've heard the middle east and North Korea have basically declared war in advance, saying they'll start nuking their enemies as soon as they get their hands on the weaponry. In other news, terrorist attacks and shootings are getting ridiculously common, the US is stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding which depraved villain they want as their ultimate leader and society as a whole is falling apart. Basically, unless something big changes, we're all going to see full-scale war within the next few decades.

Times like this, I'm really thankful for Jesus.
If anything if people are heading to the polls... At least get trump so we can get a godly man like Pence. Caine's a idiot from what I have seen.

As I said at ZTV I heard Putin is telling his people who are abroad to come back to Russia and he's moving his nukes around... I do worry about if WW3 will be a thing.
You're disgustingly uninformed. Pence is a borderline sociopath who supports the alienation and discrimination of minorities and uses his faith to justify it. People like him are no different from the leaders of terrorist sects in the Middle East, evangelical nuts who would sooner sacrifice the lives and quality thereof of innocent people than coexist with opposing viewpoints. If I ever met anyone who used my faith as a weapon to suppress people I would be ever quicker to denounce him, not embrace his disgusting lack of morality simply because of shared faith or culture. Pence wants to put laws in place allowing people to refuse service based on religious ideology, the intention is (of course) that this be used to infringe upon the rights of LGBT citizens but imagine if it were used in reverse. What if someone used these same laws to say that religious people weren't allowed to use secular services like post or community rec centers (if you guys even have things like that there)? Not such a heroic guy now is he? You need to think about how something effects people besides just yourself before siding with it. Pence is a far greater threat to not only American citizens and their rights but also to American international relations than Trump and Clinton combined.

I have very little against Trump "as a person", rather I find his antics very amusing, and in his defense at least he kept the Zodiac killer off the ballot. He's always been a stereotypical entitled white celebrity so I don't get why everyone is suddenly surprised to learn he acts like one. While I personally don't think he himself is any better or worse than Clinton, the people that he is empowering by using them for votes are truly the most despicable kind, and his staff are not exactly up to par, plus he's not going to win anyway, not now.

Clinton is a horrible politician and I hate her guts as a person, and her VP is literally the only democrat more conservative than her, but at least they're both better than letting Pence anywhere near office and at least their staff know what they're doing.

People tend to think of republican as conservative and democrat as liberal, but it isn't that cut and dry (compare Canada literally has "liberal" vs "conservative" parties). A lot of democrats are very conservative, and despite all her showing off and boistering about being liberal Clinton is about as conservative as western politicians can get without being evangelical. Republicans can be equally liberal in contrast, and speaking of which you guys seriously need to repeal that law about immigrants becoming president, because Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to serve at least two terms. The intention is that republicans intend for more control to lie in individual state governments, and democrats want most of it to rest in the federal government, but as Mr. Trump has shown us a person can just as easily choose whichever side has the most potential for voter swing and use that to their personal advantage and not to further the overall party.

You're all talking about Russia and North Korea but think about what a Trump/Pence (or to a lesser extent, a Clinton/Caine) presidency could do to US relations with its actual allies? I can't picture Canada or Mexico taking it well, especially with Harper out of the picture and Canada finally moving in the right direction again. Not Russia, North Korea, nor ISIL, is nearly as dangerous as potential economic breakdown or reform between NATO (and/or their neighboring) countries.

If a WWIII actually happens and it even involves America directly I'm blaming the people who didn't vote for Sanders.
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BossAggron
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I can only hope that we can still rely on the MAD that kept us safe as can be during the Cold War.
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the dark phoenix
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I have seen pence put his beliefs aside. If anything, every time I hear him, he looks, acts, and sounds more presidential than Trump, Hillary, Caine, or anyone else running for the white house.

Yes he is a christian and has some views I too as a christian may see as odd in him. But lord knows he and Trump are better than a Hillary presidency. Considering the poll numbers I have seen. I hope for a president willing to drop a few F-bombs than a liar that has done more wrong than any criminal would even dare.

I see changed men when I see Trump and Pence. Two men willing to put things aside and work for the people. Men who are fathers and grandfathers. Men who want the same success for their descendants. What are we going to get out of Hillary? More Lies? More death?

In the end it is to each their own. We vote for who we wish. I registered and I am going to the polls when the time comes. I respect that you see Pence the way you do and I only ask equal respect in return for the way I see him.

I have mostly been trying to keep my trap shut when it comes to politics so this is my only thoughts on it I am willing to share at the moment.

now to be on topic.

I agree North Korea with its short fuse will likely be a part of WW3. If Nations go at war with each other then I can only imagine terrorists groups who have already infiltrated these lands and sabotaging things within them. WW3 would not be a war of borders where men went west or east to defend... with new technology and current things in mind, the war front would be everywhere.

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babehunter1324
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I wouldn't consider North Korea that much of a threat at a global scale. They don't have very good relations with China or Russia at the momment and aside from a few ocasional smuggling they don't have access to any post 1970's technollogies fielded by either country. The country has a very outdated industry, not many natural resources and a shortage of basic products.

They had a very large standing army and some pretty impressive artillery equippment like the BM-21 or the M-1978 Koksan but most of their equippment is very outdated (they are still operating T-34-85's!) and generally goes for an "add a bigger stick" mentality (PT-76's with 85mm guns, BTR's with 20mm guns, T-62 derivatives with 125mm guns) rather than a more technollogically sound solution. The air force is also both quite outdated and not very well trained or maintained. Their air-defense suit seems quite impressive but not much better than Serbia or Iraq during the 90's and those didn't proof very effective. I even doubt they would be able to defeat in a traditonal conflict South Korea even it was standing alone, let alone if it was supported by NATO or the UN.

While their nuclear program can be considered an strategic threat I can't imagine any scenario in which North Korea comes off best in a nuclear conflict.
Edited by babehunter1324, Oct 15 2016, 11:12 AM.
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Jannick
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North Korea is a harmless joke that's being overplayed by the media for shock value. Even if Kim manages to produce a nuke that can harm South Korea or Japan I'm quite sure he'll be smart enough to realize that if he uses it his kingdom will cease to exist.
A Trump/Pence ticket is also a joke, but it's a lot less funny and a lot more potentially harmful. Pence is a backwards theocrat stuck in the 50's and Trump is a thoughtless loudmouth who appeals to people who are afraid of progress and emancipation (or 'political correctness', whatever you want to call it) because god forbid they might lose their privilege. But that's all domestic, and not really relevant here.
What is relevant here is that Trump, unlike most republicans, is genuinely profoundly dumb. Not just misguided, dumb. I have my reservations about Hildaddy, but at least I can trust her to be able to outsmart Putin, whereas Trump is a perfect puppet doing exactly what Vladi wants him to, with his ridiculous (not to mention extremely illegal) plans for the Middle East situation and his very dubious comments about a NATO opt-out, which would effectively open the door for Putin to start "protecting Russian minorities" in the Baltic states and other areas in eastern Europe.
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It is actually quiet funny to see everyone pointing towards Russia. Yes Putin is a weird creature, but the only thing he is after is power for a certain part of the world. The USA is the one who thinks they need to control the whole world, while the only thing Putin is caring about is Eastern Europe (the old USSR countries). Russia doesn't even care about problems in the Middle Eastern, but no the USA thought it was a nice idea to go there to protect "their" oil and said that Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons (which he didn't even have at all). And how did it end? A totally destroyed country, thousounds of dead soldiers/civilians and now the "western world" thinks every muslim is a terrorist (and thanks to the USA "they are", because most IS top members were prisoners in prisons in Iraq, most even in the Abu Ghraid prison).

Believe me when Trump is the new president, the USA will start a new war somewhere else. The USA is currently nothing more than a big freak show where the NRA pays to go to war. So if there will be a third world war, you can better look at the USA. China doesn't even look beyond their borders and Russia not much further than the USSR countries. North Korea however isn't even a tread, more like a puppet from China to provoke the USA. Believe me when North Korea gets nuclear weapons, China themself will make an end to it. And again this is a funny story. Why does the USA even need to be involved there? I don't think it is weird that China starts to provoke the USA even more and more, because they are almost all the time in their backyard showing how strong they are.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

Russia pretty clearly does care about the state of affairs in the Middle East or they wouldn't be launching deplorable attacks on aid convoys.
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Jannick
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Papua merdeka!

While I agree with you that the USA has a bit of a power issue when it comes to the rest of the world and they should absolutely cool it a little with the global involvement since it often does more bad than good in the long run, I think it is a tad naïve to assume that Putin's ambitions end on the borders of the former USSR. He clearly has a vested interest in attempting to balance the power of the US in the middle east.
However, even if what you were saying were true and all Putin is trying to do is restore the USSR, that still puts him pretty high on the WWIII catalyst ranking if you ask me, since that would still entail the invasion and (partial) annexation of several sovereign states, something which, for all his flaws, I don't see The Donald doing anytime soon. Trump will absolutely make matters worse for everyone involved, but if WWIII happens, I doubt he'll be it's Hitler.
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stargatedalek
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Jannick
Oct 15 2016, 01:38 PM
Trump will absolutely make matters worse for everyone involved, but if WWIII happens, I doubt he'll be it's Hitler.
If anything Putin will be its Hitler and Trump its Ford.
Edited by stargatedalek, Oct 15 2016, 01:48 PM.
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