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| Unnecessary BF animals | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 19 2017, 04:15 PM (2,504 Views) | |
| Sahara | Apr 25 2017, 11:03 AM Post #16 |
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I don't think an apatosaurus would have been too large, especially since BF kind of scaled things to whatever size they wanted, as most of the dinosaurs are sized wrong (the t-rex is tiny and the stoke is huge, the size difference was for more significant). Had they made it just slightly larger than the ground sloth I think it would have been okay. |
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| AnimalGenius | Apr 25 2017, 01:16 PM Post #17 |
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Yeah Zoo Tycoon definitely missed their chance when they didn't add any sauropods. I understand that they didn't have the resources but still one of the most iconic dinosaur types are theropods and sauropods. |
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 2 2017, 10:10 AM Post #18 |
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Thank you for making and reviving this thread(even if there is already an older simular one). In ZT1 the only unnecessary animals IMO were Magnet and Mermaid, which I very rarely use. Granted, the former is a ''guest star'' decided by fan polls, and the latter is an easter egg for Marine Mania. While the game already had 4 fantasy creatures, I hate the Mermaid. You get it in a weird way(place a statue in a water-filled tank and it comes to life), there are only females(no males and no babies), and it's a half-human. No thanks Blue Fang, I prefer full-fledged animals in my zoos, no half-human hybrids. Anyways, for ZT2 I have 25 animals I personally dislike and wish they were removed/replaced with other better choices. Here's my list of animals I consider unnecesary plus potential candidates for replacements(please note it's just my personal opinion):1.Scimitar Oryx(ES)-Ameican Bighorn Sheep 2.Spectacled Bear(ES)-Giant Anteater 3.Barbary Ape(AA)-Olive Babboon 4.Gelada(AA)-Reticulated Python 5.Ethiopian Wolf(AA)-Spotted Hyena 6.Pygmy Hippo(AA)-Serval 7.Masai Giraffe(AA)-Porcupine 8.Scalloped Hammerhead(MM)-Great Hammerhead Shark 9.Shortfinned Pivot Whale(MM)-Sperm Whale 10.False Killer Whale(MM)-Humpback Whale 11.Deinonychus(EA)-Spinosaurus 12.Stokesosaurus(EA)-Allosaurus 13.Protoarcheopteryx(EA)-Caudipteryx 14.Warrah(EA)-Gallimimus 15.Giant Camel(EA)-Coelophysis 16.Giant Warthog(EA)-Plateosaurus 17.Bush Antlered Deer(EA)-Megaloceros 18.Dwarf Sicillian Elephant(EA)-Macrauchenia 19.Cave Lion(EA)-Parasaurolophus 20.Shortfaced Bear(EA)-Pachycephalosaurus 21.Killer Penguin(EA)-Camptosaurus 22.Elephant bird(EA)-Iguanodon 23.Addax(DLC)-Llama 24.Black Leopard(DLC)-normal African Leopard, with a black(melanistic) variant 25.Aurochs(EA)-Apatosaurus I also dislike the innacuraccies in the game(Whale Sharks and Great Whites being classified as Benthic animals) and the extinct animals' hideous models(especially Tyrannosaurus rex, Megatherium and Deinosuchus). And I would add 10 more animals to the Marine Mania expansion, thus making the total number of animals in the game 140(fortunately most of my personal choices have been made as mods, so thank you everyone). Here's my bonus MM choices: 1.Elephant Seal 2.Dall's Porpoise 3.Tuna 4.Barracuda 5.Sawfish 6.Moray Eel 7.Tiger Shark 8.Mako Shark 9.Lion's Mane Jellyfish 10.Giant Pacific Octopus Lastly, there are some BF ZT2 animals which I like, yet would prefer to be replaced by simular, but more famous and beloved species(many of which appeared in ZT1): 1.Nile Crocodile(ZT2)-Saltwater Crocodile 2.Baird's Tapir(ES)-Malaysian Tapir 3.Florida Panther(ES)-Puma/Cougar/Mountain Lion/etc 4.Spanish Lynx(ES)-Eurasian Lynx 5.Caribou(ES)-Reindeer 6.American Mastodon(EA)-Woolly Mammoth So from overall 131 animals, 31 I wish to replace and add 10 more. What do you think?
Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 2 2017, 10:23 AM.
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May 4 2017, 06:04 PM Post #19 |
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ᴀ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ ᴏʙsᴇssᴇᴅ
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I was kinda curious, but why did you choose these two? They aren't usually kept in captivity and are even now only used in Wildlife Photography S&Ts. I know they were in the original ZT, and I always felt a little silly using them since they were so big
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 18 2017, 11:46 AM Post #20 |
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Please don't use the ''realism'' excuse for your comment. By your logic we shouldn't have Javan Rhinos, Great White Sharks, Narwhals, and Marlins in either games. Also, neither ZT1 or ZT2 should have extinct/prehistoric expansion packs, because it's impossible to clone long-dead species IRL(at best we could revive Pleistocene and Holocene creatures, but even that is out of the question for now). The original game also had 5 fantasy animals(Unicorn, Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Yeti and Mermaid) plus Magnet and Giant Squid. While I still could have enjoyed the game if the first 6 were replaced by ''normal'' animals, I like the Giant Squid *specifically* because the game allows us to exhibit it in captivity unlike real life zoos. And don't get me started on all the other things that makes the series unrealistic(for example animals not escaping through the entrance/exit or the perimeter fence and wreaking havoc outside). Instead of listing every mistake, I will leave you these 4 links to read: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/ZooTycoon, https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Zoo_Tycoon/Inaccuracies, https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Zoo_Tycoon_2/Inaccuracies and http://zootycoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_inaccuracies_in_Zoo_Tycoon_2. Despite these issues I still love the series. So I am looking forward to Mesozoica and Prehistoric Kingdom. Oh, and I also play Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis(with mods), plus JP: Builder and Jurassic World: The Game on my PC via Bluestacks. Wish one day someone will make an awesome ZT3 game for PC with photorealistic graphics and no innacuracies in any animal(be it normal, marine or prehistoric). I am sure we all hope for this to happen, right?
Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 18 2017, 11:50 AM.
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| Paleodude | May 18 2017, 04:01 PM Post #21 |
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Kind of confused why you consider the Killer Peinguin a full animal. At best it's a joke on the original Zoo Tycoon on how the penguin was aggressive and murderous. You don't even have it availableasy for adoption and is completely hidden unless you use the Extinct Research Lab. |
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 18 2017, 04:26 PM Post #22 |
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Um, it can be fed, bred, etc like all other adoptable animals, even if it doesn't appear in the menu panel. It's not an ambient(like the seagulls and squirrels) or in a house(like the seahorses and spiders). But ok, ignore and forget the Killer Penguin. I would have preferred an Anthropornis or a Kairuku instead. Or completely remove it from the game. My other ideas/suggestions still stand however.
Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 18 2017, 04:28 PM.
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| stargatedalek | May 18 2017, 11:06 PM Post #23 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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It can do everything any other animal can except breed, gameplay wise it is a full animal, just with a unique method of unlocking it. |
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| Fireplume | May 19 2017, 02:19 PM Post #24 |
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I honestly don't agree with most of your choices. While I agree they're all wonderful species, if I were a dev I just simply would not make the same choices. Specifically: 1.Scimitar Oryx(ES)-Ameican Bighorn Sheep For this one, Scimitar Oryx are far more common in captivity AND are kept worldwide, while American Bighorn simply are not. One could argue the sheep have more charisma, but sheer numbers are in favour of the oryx. 8. Scalloped Hammerhead(MM)-Great Hammerhead Shark Same story as the oryx and sheep, only that they both equal in charisma. 9. Shortfinned Pivot Whale(MM)-Sperm Whale 10.False Killer Whale(MM)-Humpback Whale No. While big whales are great, they aren't kept in captivity for lengthy times. While I agree in the spirit of Zoo Tycoon it's genuinely whatever, I really like the use of these smaller toothed whales, especially the show/training aspect of them. 23.Addax(DLC)-Llama Idk how you can compare the two personally, Addax and Llama are two completely different animals of two completely different everything. Wouldn't trade one for the other, in any case. A lot of the prehistoric animal choices are just... awkward. Imo, the devs were headed towards a "LOOK WHAT PEOPLE DID THOUGH " sort of tone, hence the choice of warrah, elephant bird, etc. I def agree Mammoth over Mastodon, but a lot of the choices are just not comparable tbh. I agree *mostly* with your more beloved species choices, minus Nile Croc over Saltie, as the former is far more common in zoos. The additional species too are eh, while I wouldn't dislike them if in a situation I could choose 10 to add they wouldn't be my choice except for the octopus, moray eel, and tiger shark.
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 19 2017, 02:56 PM Post #25 |
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Like I already said, don't apply realism to a videogame, especially one(or two to be precise) that allows you to clone long-dead animals Jurassic Park-style. For the love of Darwin, read my previous comment(Post#20). As for yours, here's my answer: ZT2 lacks many animals that made the original so awesome, while many of the replacements are redundant and/or lame. If you had to choose between a Spinosaurus, Gallimimus, Allosaurus, Iguanodon and Apatosaurus or Giant Warthog, Dwarf Sicillian Elephant, Eucladoceros, Cave Lion and Short-faced Bear what would your choice be? Although I admit the series lacks many Paleozoic and Cenozoic animals, but of course there is too much to put in one game, which already is full with regular and marine wildlife. Thank goodness for the fan-made mods. But I have a list of 20 more(extinct) species, which haven't been made so far. Edit: I forgot to add the Giant Squid and Bowhead Whale in my replacements' wishlist. Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 19 2017, 03:06 PM.
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| Imperator Furiosa | May 19 2017, 03:07 PM Post #26 |
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Yes some of the EA animals are redundant (the Giant Camel and Giant Warthog for example), but what you're doing is essentially comparing apples to oranges. Swapping out prehistoric mammals for dinosaurs isn't really a fair trade because they're so different. I absolutely would have chosen some different animals for EA, but I would have swapped them for somewhat similar species. And personally I would prefer the mammals because to me, personally, they're more interesting and not as well-known as dinosaurs. |
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 19 2017, 03:18 PM Post #27 |
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While the EA expansion pack suffers the most, the others also have their fair share of ''Replacement Scrappies''(TV Tropes term). For example: while the Pygmy Hippopotamus is cute and critically endangered, the Serval would be a better choice. As for the prehistoric mammals, notice I left half of them out of my replacement wishlist(Thylacine, Diprotodon, Bluebuck, Sivatherium, Gigantopithecus, Doedicurus, Quagga, Woolly Rhinoceros, Megatherium and Smilodon). I think these animals are unique and/or beautiful and need more appreciation. Fortunately some of them appear in modern media(the Ice Age movies, Jurassic Park Builder and so on). However, I am still waiting for an Amphicyon, Hyaenodon, Cronopio, Peltephilus, Moeritherium and Platybelodon mods for ZT2.
Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 19 2017, 03:25 PM.
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| Furka | May 19 2017, 03:25 PM Post #28 |
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The realism issue only applies to Extinct Animals frankly, everything else is more of a sacrifice of what would have been unnecessary realism considered the age of the targeted audience. A kid would not make you an elaborate exhibit with the proper fencing for every animal, he/she would only understand the concept of "animals must be behind the fence", at best understanding that small animals=small fence and big animals=big fence. Everything more complicated than that would probably make the game way too exausting and prolonged for kids, which would likely give up before building an entire aviary piece by piece. EDIT:
As if the game overall didn't have enough cats. Edited by Furka, May 19 2017, 03:26 PM.
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| GaroZeiram1990 | May 19 2017, 03:38 PM Post #29 |
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Ok, thank you for the answer. But the game has Javan Rhinos, Narwhals, Goblin Sharks, Great White Sharks and other living animals which can't be seen in any real life zoo or sea world; alongside some obscure species which are pretty bizarre choices even for a video game. Ethiopian Wolf and Black Leopard instead of(for example) a Serval and an African Leopard. Sometimes I wish we could ask Blue Fang why did they choose these animals instead of something better, so we can finally know the reason. Seriously, a huge recently extinct warthog instead of an entelodont, creodont, litoptern, chalicotherium or anything. Just... why BF? PS: the other expansion packs also have issues(Whale Sharks being classified as Benthic biome animals). Edited by GaroZeiram1990, May 19 2017, 03:44 PM.
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| Furka | May 19 2017, 05:37 PM Post #30 |
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Javan rhinos are uncommon in zoos nowadays because they are too rare but otherwise they wouldn't make a bad pick, and many other animals were added because they were too iconic to be left out (if you make a game with sealife and it has sharks, there must be the great white, it's the one shark people know) or because they were obscure and they wanted to bring in some oddities, like the Ethiopian wolf, which I myself am not a fan of, but it definately sits in as a curious oddity among the variety of stereotypical african fauna that made AA, definately a better pick than yet another cat with nothing special about it (if anything the Serval could replace the Caracal, and it would still feel redundant, the only reason for it to exist is to bring the lynx animations for the people lacking ES I believe). |
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In ZT1 the only unnecessary animals IMO were Magnet and Mermaid, which I very rarely use. Granted, the former is a ''guest star'' decided by fan polls, and the latter is an easter egg for Marine Mania. While the game already had 4 fantasy creatures, I hate the Mermaid. You get it in a weird way(place a statue in a water-filled tank and it comes to life), there are only females(no males and no babies), and it's a half-human. No thanks Blue Fang, I prefer full-fledged animals in my zoos, no half-human hybrids. Anyways, for ZT2 I have 25 animals I personally dislike and wish they were removed/replaced with other better choices. Here's my list of animals I consider unnecesary plus potential candidates for replacements(please note it's just my personal opinion):









