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| Tyrannosaurus sound revealed | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 10 2017, 08:54 AM (869 Views) | |
| Moi | Dec 10 2017, 08:54 AM Post #1 |
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لماذا ؟؟
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/12/09/sinister-sound-tyrannosaurus-rex-heard-first-time-66-million/
a new BBC documentary |
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| Oxybelis | Dec 10 2017, 10:41 AM Post #2 |
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I’m sorry but you can’t just mix any two crocodilian and bird sounds, pitch them down and expect it to sound anything like what a Tyrannosaurus did. Thats like combining the call of a lemur and a chimpanzee and saying “chimpanzees are humans closest relative, and lemurs are also distantly related. This is what a human should sound like”. That’s not science. While I tend to agree that they probably didn’t have a ferocious roar like in the movies, there’s no evidence to suggest that they didn’t. |
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| stargatedalek | Dec 10 2017, 01:29 PM Post #3 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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While I agree that mixing an arbitrary bird with an arbitrary crocodilian is just going to make a random sound and isn't any more likely to sound like a Tyrannosaurus than any other combination of birds sounds, that's still the best we have. Not this sound, but the idea of referencing birds in general. The fact that the Hollywood styled roars only exist within panthers is pretty solid evidence that they didn't exist in dinosaurs. If a cougar can't roar, a dinosaur definitely couldn't. |
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| Oxybelis | Dec 11 2017, 09:16 PM Post #4 |
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No I totally agree. I guess what I have a problem with is the misleading titles they’ve been giving this “discovery”. What I will say though is that convergent evolution is a thing. Theres no real reason why some families couldn’t have produced a roar like sound over the hundreds of millions of years they were on this planet. At the end of the day we can’t possibly know, and probably never will. I do think that a more crocodilian/bird approach is better than nothing. But in reality they probably sounded like neither. |
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| Ulquiorra | Dec 13 2017, 06:37 AM Post #5 |
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I couldn't actually hear the sound over the talking XD, but what I did hear, sounded more like a low frequency rumble or growl. It actually reminded be of the low frequency sounds that elephants use to communicate, after the elephants sound recording is altered into the human hearing range.
Edited by Ulquiorra, Dec 14 2017, 07:18 AM.
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| Incinerox | Dec 14 2017, 05:45 AM Post #6 |
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti
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... I mean... define "roar". If you mean to define it as that one very specific type of sound created in a very specific way by a specific set of organs by a specific clade of big cats, then yeah, only pantherines could "roar" (this being said, apparently there's evidence involving the structure of Smilodon's hyoids that seem to suggest that it could roar in a similar manner to modern pantherines). But... if you mean to say "it makes a loud noise while its mouth is open", then most land vertebrates actually do do that. Wolf howls, bear "roars", bird screeches and squawking, cow mooing, even those pumas that are cited as not "roaring" in a specific sense also make wild, psychotic and actually [/i]iconic[/i] noises (every time you see a leopard or jaguar scream in movies, that's a puma - their roars are kinda uninteresting otherwise). I suppose any open-mouthed explosion of loud noise produced by a large animal could qualify as a "roar" in a non-technical sense. Food for thought: Here's some crocs (usually regarded as the example AGAINST such a thing) actually doing open mouthed noises that could qualify as a roar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ7JbzXGJWo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEj5imOSJ40 The whole thing on whether dinosaurs or not could do Hollywood tier "roars" does not, and really should not be an either/or deal. Though I think we can agree that two things are Hollywood garbage: 1) They didn't roar wildly while chasing after prey during a hunt. 2) They sounded NOTHING like anything we can splice from modern animal recordings (so they wouldn't have sounded like a big cat, or likely even crocodiles anyway). |
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| Spooky Gecko | Dec 14 2017, 08:20 AM Post #7 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it's really grinding my gears that they're acting like splicing animal sounds is a new and unexplored concept and that no one thought to do exactly this before in "66 Million years" There's knocking the stigma that Tyrannosaurus sounded like a roided out elephant and then there's hyping up the sound of I'm going to go out of my element here and ask how we know for certain it did not punctuate those sounds frequently in a particular manner like a chickadee? Or any other random variables? We understand that as a predator it really wouldn't want to be dramatically noisy but what else do we have supporting this as anything close to the particular noise tyrannosaurus made other than its modern distant relatives? I get the feeling that if there were extant pterosaurs this article would incorporate their calls and still speak with the same certainty. It's not like certainty has a place when it comes to dinosaur calls. This article isn't titled "Two animals that make better sound references than elephants and pantherines" It's titled "Sinister sound of Tyrannosaurus Rex heard for first time in 66 million years" Edited by Spooky Gecko, Dec 14 2017, 08:31 AM.
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