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Topic Started: Apr 22 2018, 12:19 AM (920 Views)
tigris115
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Afaik, Bengal tigers are only kept in Indian parks. They're doing really good so the U.S. and Europe focus on the other 3
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Denomon3144
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Pick a god and pray!

I've only been to US zoos. Out of all of the tiger subspecies, I've seen Bengal, Malayan, Sumatran, and Siberian tigers. Bengals are by far the most common from my experience.

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Domestic camels and fennecs are staple animals in european zoos but not a single zoo in europe keeps bengal tigers. Most of the tigers here are siberian tigers because they can be kept much easier (can go out the whole year even in snowy winters).

That's interesting, considering that here in the US I've only seen camels once and I've never seen a fennec.
Edited by Denomon3144, Apr 23 2018, 05:27 PM.
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Sahara
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Not to be that guy but I think we're getting a little off topic. If anyone has a list they'd still like to share, that would be cool. Unless you guys are really diggin this conversation, in that case carry on I guess.
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Guilmon
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Rob Schneider herp de derp, rated PG-13!

My ideal zoo game would have some good, cheap DLC to add on at some point (along with the 50 animals I posted before). Themes could be Birds, Marine Life, Dinosaurs, Pleistocene Megafauna, Prehistoric Invertebrates, Mythical Creatures, Island Oddities, Cryptids, Recent Extinctions, Rare Wildlife, etc
Edited by Guilmon, Apr 23 2018, 07:03 PM.
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Zoo Tycooner FR
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#Lithopédion

I'm really sorry to bring back to subject but to "dig it" once and for all:

There are no Bengal tigers outside of Indian zoos, all the tigers that are labelled as Bengal tigers elsewhere (except maybe in some South-East Asian zoos) are non-subspecific tigers (just Panthera tigris , no subspecies cited).

And to get back to the subject of birds and rodents, yes; I do agree birds would be hard to animate but I disagree with the whole aviary thing. It could be difficult to insert obviously but every zoo has at least one aviary, even really small zoos, so if I had to create a balanced and realistic roster for a zoo; birds are a must and aviaries definitely are (which is one thing zt2 has been lacking a lot). I'm also not of the opinion smaller animals = mini exhibits. You can work a lot on interesting and immersive exhibits for smaller animals and when zoos do that generally (New Small Mammal House in Zoo Nünrberg or Mouse House at Bronx), the general public generally gets interested in said species, even though they might all look similar; which is what zoos should be aiming to do. Now, I'm not saying having mini-exhibits for rodents is bad but imo, having at least a few possibilities for rodent exhibits would wonderful.
Edited by Zoo Tycooner FR, Apr 23 2018, 06:36 PM.
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Denomon3144
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Pick a god and pray!

I think aviaries would be a good idea for an expansion- not the base game, because the development of flight, aviaries, etc. would take too much time away from the terrestrial animals.
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tigris115
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Here's what I'm thinking and this will change as I get more ideas Precentages will represent cost

Base Game (100%)

Expansion DLC (0%)

Expansion DLC (0%)

Bird DLC (20%)

Herp DLC (20%)

Safari Park DLC (20%)

Aquarium DLC (40%)

Voter's Choice I DLC (10%)

Voter's Choice II DLC (10%)

You can also get a collection of all of the current ones plus a nice pass that gets you all of them and whatever comes out in the future forever
Edited by tigris115, Apr 24 2018, 05:07 PM.
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Zoo Tycooner FR
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#Lithopédion

Denomon3144
Apr 23 2018, 06:56 PM
I think aviaries would be a good idea for an expansion- not the base game, because the development of flight, aviaries, etc. would take too much time away from the terrestrial animals.
Then I don't think I've understood the purpose of the thread (not a critic, just saying that I don't really see what you mean with roster). For me a roster must be a solid, complete base; even though it takes a lot of time to release. I'd rather have a zoo game that was designed for over 2 years which includes basically everything I want (aviaries, a balanced collection of mammals, some nice herptiles here and there) then have ultra expansions with improvements of some concepts, new things added (especially architecture-wise) and rarer, unheard of species than a mammal-centric roster that takes 6 months to completed.

So for me, it's a solid base game first, then lighter expansions later haha.
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Sahara
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I tried making a list with as many animals I felt I would need, so I bumped it up to 60 this time. I highly doubt we'd ever get a base game with 60 animals this diverse, but I can still dream. I added some aviary animals and a few reptiles, as well some new animals like Wombats and Cougars.

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Edited by Sahara, Apr 23 2018, 08:54 PM.
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It's important to remember in real life that larger bodies like the American Association of Zoos and Aquariums have a reasonable level of control over not only standards for keeping but also try to control what species are housed where, and how they breed. These choices are often based on sustainability of a captive population and conservation value - so it is encouraged to breed species that can be managed and bred effectively but are endangered in the wild. 'Studbooks' are kept to make sure the captive population remains genetically diverse and healthy. Keeping these captive populations sustainable means zoos can exchange animals without needing to capture them in the wild (almost unheard of today!) and that a stable captive population exists if the worst happens in the wild. There are also regional concerns and stuff, like how Japanese Macaques and tropical Penguins are often phased into zoos because they require less upkeep than previously favored cousins.

When it was discovered that all Asian lions in the American breeding program came from founders that were hybridized with African lions, it was decided to discontinue the program. New founders were sent to Europe, but there remain so many hybrid lions (between African subspecies alone as well) in the United States that there hasn't been demand to kickstart a new population of the Asian species.

Bengal tigers fell into a similar window - they are not based on genetically pure founders and are therefore being 'phased out' by the AZA, which means they are strongly discouraging zoos from breeding them or exchanging them. The favored species are the Siberian and Sumatran tigers, both of which have reasonably successful breeding programs, and they will likely be phased into those habitats. There is also a program for Indochinese tigers that was doing well, but when the Malayan tiger was split into a separate subspecies, and given it's own breeding program, I'm told it significantly divided resources.

That went on for a while, lol - I was just trying to address the Bengal discourse going on here.

There's a tricky balance in Zoo Tycoon-type games between using realistic species common in captivity and species a little more fantastical. Surely many would be upset about a zoo game without the iconic panda, a species barely kept in captivity - and the 'mountain gorilla' has eclipsed the fame of the more common lowland species.

Personally, I think Siberian, Bengal and Sumatran would be a fine number, as the former occupies a different habitat and has a stockier body type, and while the latter two have a similar habitat they have significant physical differences as well. The middle species has a bit more marquee value for having the color variants that are so popular, but are not generally believed to exist in wild populations of the other species. I would happily cut two from the roster for more interesting animals, but if it did not 'cost' any other species, I'd encourage it.

The Zoo Tycoon Xbox release's overuse of species/subspecies failed not because it was a completely bad idea, but because they used these additional subspecies as a cover to develop significantly few 'base' species with unique animations and behaviors. There were, what, eleven base animals in the Xbox 360 version?

...

Anyway, my most recent shot at a list:

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(Savannah)
African Elephant
African Lion
Grevy’s Zebra
North African Ostrich
Black Rhinoceros
African Cheetah
Reticulated Giraffe
[ Thomson’s or Grant’s Gazelle ]
Spotted Hyena

(Scrub)
Red Kangaroo
Australian Emu
Giant Anteater

(Grassland)
American Bison
Black-Tailed Prairie Dog

(Temperate Forest)
Common Peafowl
Red Panda

(Boreal Forest)
Grizzly Bear
Gray Wolf
American Moose
American Beaver
American Black Bear
Common Racoon
Siberian Tiger
Amur Leopard

(Temperate Rainforest)
Kiwi

(Tropical Rainforest)
Okapi
Western Lowland Gorilla
Common Chimpanzee
Ring-Tailed Lemur
Clouded Leopard
Malayan Tapir
Jaguar

(Montane Forest)
[Unknown species]

(Alpine Highland)
Siberian Ibex
Snow Leopard
Giant Panda
American Bighorn Sheep

(Arctic Tundra)
Polar Bear
King Penguin
[ Arctic Wolf or Caribou/Reindeer ]

(Desert)
Bactrian Camel
Arabian Oryx

(Wetlands)
American Alligator
Caribbean Flamingo
Common Hippopotamus
American River Otter

(Coastal)
Harbor Seal



I have the list with multiple expansions, but I still shuffle species around a bit. (I exchanged the Harbor Seal and Sea Lion, for example.) I'm aware that South America, southern Asia and Europe aren't as well-represented as I like, and both TempRF and Montane could use more. (I have a few Montane species on the list, but none I found worth prioritizing.)

Canids was a spot I had trouble with - Mexican Gray Wolf, Gray Wolf, and/or Arctic Wolf is something I still keep flip-flopping on.

Intent was to limit at forty, and I pushed it up to forty five, but I think that list is forty six-ish.
Edited by JohnVM, Apr 25 2018, 01:12 AM.
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manape
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This is my list for the actual animals for my zoo (sorry if im plagiarised Amazonia and the big avairy I couldn’t think of anything else and the avairy is stunning)
African plains
Masai giraffe
Plains zebra
African lion
Olive baboon
Pygmy hippo
Sifaka
Camel
Barbary sheep
Crowned crane
Veret monkey
Hippo
Meerkat
Warthog
Banded mongoose
Cheetah
Ostrich
Addax
Sable antelope
Bontebok
Gemsbok
African creature house
Aardvark
Honey badger
Hyrax
Caracal
African civet
Bat eared fox
Ground hornbill
African rainforest
Mountain gorilla
Eastern chimpanzee
Mandrill
Okapi
Diana monkey
Colobus
Collard mangabey
Red river hog
Wolf’s mona monkey
Golden bamboo lemur
Ring tail lemur
Flamingo
Shoebill
Zebra duiker
Asian trek
Giant panda
Cheeked gibbon
Golden snub nosed monkey
Orangutan
Gharial
Bengal tiger
Binturong
Proboscis monkey
Sun bear
Indian island
Crested macaque
Humuan langur
Babirusa
Peacock
Sloth bear
Indian rhino
Coastal wonders
Californian sea lions
Rockhopper penguin
King penguin
Magellanic penguin
Gentoo penguin
Australian pelican
Sea otter
Manatee
Reptile house area
Green anaconda
Komodo dragon
Galapagos tortoise
Indian cobra
Panther chameleon
Nile monitor
Gila monster
Inland tipan
Emerald tree boa
Cuban boa
Reticulated python
Frilled neck lizard
Shingle back lizard
Rhinoceros iguana
Green iguana
Basilisk lizard
Black caiman
Amazonia
Giant anteater
Maned wolf
Collard peccary
Spectacle bear
Armadillo
Squirrel monkey
Spider monkey
White headed Tamarin
Tamadua
Tree porcupine
Howler monkey
Saki monkey
Tree toed sloth
Aviary
Blue & yellow macaw
Scarlet macaw
Spoonbill
Keen-billed toucan
Scarlet ibis
Mascovy duck
Mammal trail
Capybara
Fruit bats
Agouti
Ocleot
Common marmoset
Capuchin
Wonders from the world
Red panda
2nd meerkat exhibit
Aye-aye
The aquarium
Simang gibbon
Australimania working title
Red kangaroo
Victorian koala
Platypus
Numbats
Tassie devil
Kiwi
Cassowary
Tree kangaroo
Quokka
Another aviary a smaller one
Galah
Rainbow lorikeets
Cockatoo
Brolga
Eclectus parrot
Spoonbills
blue faced honeyeater
Black swan
Australian shelduck
Edited by manape, Jun 20 2018, 05:49 AM.
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This idea below is for the animal roster in a base game. Other species will be in expansion packs and DLC (the most popular choices are small/flying animals, marine/aquatic and prehistoric/extinct). Whoever wishes to see my ideas for the expansion packs/DLC roster, just ask and I will write them in another post.
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Guilmon
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Rob Schneider herp de derp, rated PG-13!

GaroZeiram1990
Apr 25 2018, 08:00 AM
This idea below is for the animal roster in a base game. Other species will be in expansion packs and DLC (the most popular choices are small/flying animals, marine/aquatic and prehistoric/extinct). Whoever wishes to see my ideas for the expansion packs/DLC roster, just ask and I will write them in another post.
Go ahead! I'd like to know!
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Updated List. Didn't bother specifying species, felt I would just keep it open and have about 2-3 subspecies per animal, except for animals like Capybaras and Jaguars.

Base Game:

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I'm going to be a bit more ambitious with the base roster and extend it to 75 animals. Why? One of the first things that got me hooked about Zoo Tycoon Xbox was the supposed 100 animal collection that was announced during development. Quickly, that excitement faded away as the roster was revealed to be comprised of mostly very similar subspecies, with all the more diverse animals confined to "mini-exhibits" or being exclusive to Xbox One.

I began to think about what if the game had actually delivered in regard to content, and devised a fan-made animal roster, comprising over 100 species that would be both diverse (considering animal groups, biomes, conservation status, popularity) and fitting for a real-life zoo. Many of the more exotic or least known species were "saved" for a themed premium pack or DLC so I sticked to 75 essential ones.

I cheated a bit by assuming the hypothetical game would have the possibility of choosing a subspecies (if available) when you select an animal in the adoption panel. That way, you could have various Leopards (like African and Amur) occupying the same slot in the roster, instead of being treated as separate species like in previous Zoo Tycoon games.

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Exotic Animals Premium Pack

The Americas

Africa

Eurasia

Islands


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