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| Topic Started: Apr 22 2018, 12:19 AM (920 Views) | |
| tigris115 | Apr 23 2018, 02:30 PM Post #16 |
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Afaik, Bengal tigers are only kept in Indian parks. They're doing really good so the U.S. and Europe focus on the other 3 |
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| Denomon3144 | Apr 23 2018, 05:25 PM Post #17 |
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I've only been to US zoos. Out of all of the tiger subspecies, I've seen Bengal, Malayan, Sumatran, and Siberian tigers. Bengals are by far the most common from my experience.
That's interesting, considering that here in the US I've only seen camels once and I've never seen a fennec. Edited by Denomon3144, Apr 23 2018, 05:27 PM.
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| Sahara | Apr 23 2018, 05:39 PM Post #18 |
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Not to be that guy but I think we're getting a little off topic. If anyone has a list they'd still like to share, that would be cool. Unless you guys are really diggin this conversation, in that case carry on I guess. |
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| Guilmon | Apr 23 2018, 06:00 PM Post #19 |
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Rob Schneider herp de derp, rated PG-13!
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My ideal zoo game would have some good, cheap DLC to add on at some point (along with the 50 animals I posted before). Themes could be Birds, Marine Life, Dinosaurs, Pleistocene Megafauna, Prehistoric Invertebrates, Mythical Creatures, Island Oddities, Cryptids, Recent Extinctions, Rare Wildlife, etc
Edited by Guilmon, Apr 23 2018, 07:03 PM.
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| Zoo Tycooner FR | Apr 23 2018, 06:35 PM Post #20 |
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#Lithopédion
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I'm really sorry to bring back to subject but to "dig it" once and for all: There are no Bengal tigers outside of Indian zoos, all the tigers that are labelled as Bengal tigers elsewhere (except maybe in some South-East Asian zoos) are non-subspecific tigers (just Panthera tigris , no subspecies cited). And to get back to the subject of birds and rodents, yes; I do agree birds would be hard to animate but I disagree with the whole aviary thing. It could be difficult to insert obviously but every zoo has at least one aviary, even really small zoos, so if I had to create a balanced and realistic roster for a zoo; birds are a must and aviaries definitely are (which is one thing zt2 has been lacking a lot). I'm also not of the opinion smaller animals = mini exhibits. You can work a lot on interesting and immersive exhibits for smaller animals and when zoos do that generally (New Small Mammal House in Zoo Nünrberg or Mouse House at Bronx), the general public generally gets interested in said species, even though they might all look similar; which is what zoos should be aiming to do. Now, I'm not saying having mini-exhibits for rodents is bad but imo, having at least a few possibilities for rodent exhibits would wonderful. Edited by Zoo Tycooner FR, Apr 23 2018, 06:36 PM.
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| Denomon3144 | Apr 23 2018, 06:56 PM Post #21 |
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I think aviaries would be a good idea for an expansion- not the base game, because the development of flight, aviaries, etc. would take too much time away from the terrestrial animals. |
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| tigris115 | Apr 23 2018, 08:18 PM Post #22 |
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Here's what I'm thinking and this will change as I get more ideas Precentages will represent cost Base Game (100%) Expansion DLC (0%) Expansion DLC (0%) Bird DLC (20%) Herp DLC (20%) Safari Park DLC (20%) Aquarium DLC (40%) Voter's Choice I DLC (10%) Voter's Choice II DLC (10%) You can also get a collection of all of the current ones plus a nice pass that gets you all of them and whatever comes out in the future forever Edited by tigris115, Apr 24 2018, 05:07 PM.
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| Zoo Tycooner FR | Apr 23 2018, 08:28 PM Post #23 |
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#Lithopédion
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Then I don't think I've understood the purpose of the thread (not a critic, just saying that I don't really see what you mean with roster). For me a roster must be a solid, complete base; even though it takes a lot of time to release. I'd rather have a zoo game that was designed for over 2 years which includes basically everything I want (aviaries, a balanced collection of mammals, some nice herptiles here and there) then have ultra expansions with improvements of some concepts, new things added (especially architecture-wise) and rarer, unheard of species than a mammal-centric roster that takes 6 months to completed. So for me, it's a solid base game first, then lighter expansions later haha. |
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| Sahara | Apr 23 2018, 08:53 PM Post #24 |
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I tried making a list with as many animals I felt I would need, so I bumped it up to 60 this time. I highly doubt we'd ever get a base game with 60 animals this diverse, but I can still dream. I added some aviary animals and a few reptiles, as well some new animals like Wombats and Cougars. Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by Sahara, Apr 23 2018, 08:54 PM.
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| JohnVM | Apr 25 2018, 12:56 AM Post #25 |
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It's important to remember in real life that larger bodies like the American Association of Zoos and Aquariums have a reasonable level of control over not only standards for keeping but also try to control what species are housed where, and how they breed. These choices are often based on sustainability of a captive population and conservation value - so it is encouraged to breed species that can be managed and bred effectively but are endangered in the wild. 'Studbooks' are kept to make sure the captive population remains genetically diverse and healthy. Keeping these captive populations sustainable means zoos can exchange animals without needing to capture them in the wild (almost unheard of today!) and that a stable captive population exists if the worst happens in the wild. There are also regional concerns and stuff, like how Japanese Macaques and tropical Penguins are often phased into zoos because they require less upkeep than previously favored cousins. When it was discovered that all Asian lions in the American breeding program came from founders that were hybridized with African lions, it was decided to discontinue the program. New founders were sent to Europe, but there remain so many hybrid lions (between African subspecies alone as well) in the United States that there hasn't been demand to kickstart a new population of the Asian species. Bengal tigers fell into a similar window - they are not based on genetically pure founders and are therefore being 'phased out' by the AZA, which means they are strongly discouraging zoos from breeding them or exchanging them. The favored species are the Siberian and Sumatran tigers, both of which have reasonably successful breeding programs, and they will likely be phased into those habitats. There is also a program for Indochinese tigers that was doing well, but when the Malayan tiger was split into a separate subspecies, and given it's own breeding program, I'm told it significantly divided resources. That went on for a while, lol - I was just trying to address the Bengal discourse going on here. There's a tricky balance in Zoo Tycoon-type games between using realistic species common in captivity and species a little more fantastical. Surely many would be upset about a zoo game without the iconic panda, a species barely kept in captivity - and the 'mountain gorilla' has eclipsed the fame of the more common lowland species. Personally, I think Siberian, Bengal and Sumatran would be a fine number, as the former occupies a different habitat and has a stockier body type, and while the latter two have a similar habitat they have significant physical differences as well. The middle species has a bit more marquee value for having the color variants that are so popular, but are not generally believed to exist in wild populations of the other species. I would happily cut two from the roster for more interesting animals, but if it did not 'cost' any other species, I'd encourage it. The Zoo Tycoon Xbox release's overuse of species/subspecies failed not because it was a completely bad idea, but because they used these additional subspecies as a cover to develop significantly few 'base' species with unique animations and behaviors. There were, what, eleven base animals in the Xbox 360 version? ... Anyway, my most recent shot at a list:
I have the list with multiple expansions, but I still shuffle species around a bit. (I exchanged the Harbor Seal and Sea Lion, for example.) I'm aware that South America, southern Asia and Europe aren't as well-represented as I like, and both TempRF and Montane could use more. (I have a few Montane species on the list, but none I found worth prioritizing.) Canids was a spot I had trouble with - Mexican Gray Wolf, Gray Wolf, and/or Arctic Wolf is something I still keep flip-flopping on. Intent was to limit at forty, and I pushed it up to forty five, but I think that list is forty six-ish. Edited by JohnVM, Apr 25 2018, 01:12 AM.
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| manape | Apr 25 2018, 06:12 AM Post #26 |
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This is my list for the actual animals for my zoo (sorry if im plagiarised Amazonia and the big avairy I couldn’t think of anything else and the avairy is stunning) African plains Masai giraffe Plains zebra African lion Olive baboon Pygmy hippo Sifaka Camel Barbary sheep Crowned crane Veret monkey Hippo Meerkat Warthog Banded mongoose Cheetah Ostrich Addax Sable antelope Bontebok Gemsbok African creature house Aardvark Honey badger Hyrax Caracal African civet Bat eared fox Ground hornbill African rainforest Mountain gorilla Eastern chimpanzee Mandrill Okapi Diana monkey Colobus Collard mangabey Red river hog Wolf’s mona monkey Golden bamboo lemur Ring tail lemur Flamingo Shoebill Zebra duiker Asian trek Giant panda Cheeked gibbon Golden snub nosed monkey Orangutan Gharial Bengal tiger Binturong Proboscis monkey Sun bear Indian island Crested macaque Humuan langur Babirusa Peacock Sloth bear Indian rhino Coastal wonders Californian sea lions Rockhopper penguin King penguin Magellanic penguin Gentoo penguin Australian pelican Sea otter Manatee Reptile house area Green anaconda Komodo dragon Galapagos tortoise Indian cobra Panther chameleon Nile monitor Gila monster Inland tipan Emerald tree boa Cuban boa Reticulated python Frilled neck lizard Shingle back lizard Rhinoceros iguana Green iguana Basilisk lizard Black caiman Amazonia Giant anteater Maned wolf Collard peccary Spectacle bear Armadillo Squirrel monkey Spider monkey White headed Tamarin Tamadua Tree porcupine Howler monkey Saki monkey Tree toed sloth Aviary Blue & yellow macaw Scarlet macaw Spoonbill Keen-billed toucan Scarlet ibis Mascovy duck Mammal trail Capybara Fruit bats Agouti Ocleot Common marmoset Capuchin Wonders from the world Red panda 2nd meerkat exhibit Aye-aye The aquarium Simang gibbon Australimania working title Red kangaroo Victorian koala Platypus Numbats Tassie devil Kiwi Cassowary Tree kangaroo Quokka Another aviary a smaller one Galah Rainbow lorikeets Cockatoo Brolga Eclectus parrot Spoonbills blue faced honeyeater Black swan Australian shelduck Edited by manape, Jun 20 2018, 05:49 AM.
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| GaroZeiram1990 | Apr 25 2018, 08:00 AM Post #27 |
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This idea below is for the animal roster in a base game. Other species will be in expansion packs and DLC (the most popular choices are small/flying animals, marine/aquatic and prehistoric/extinct). Whoever wishes to see my ideas for the expansion packs/DLC roster, just ask and I will write them in another post. Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by GaroZeiram1990, Apr 25 2018, 08:03 AM.
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| Guilmon | Apr 25 2018, 05:41 PM Post #28 |
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Rob Schneider herp de derp, rated PG-13!
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Go ahead! I'd like to know! |
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| Sahara | Apr 25 2018, 10:07 PM Post #29 |
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Updated List. Didn't bother specifying species, felt I would just keep it open and have about 2-3 subspecies per animal, except for animals like Capybaras and Jaguars. Base Game: Spoiler: click to toggle Avian Bird Expansion Pack: Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Komodo | Apr 30 2018, 11:40 PM Post #30 |
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I'm going to be a bit more ambitious with the base roster and extend it to 75 animals. Why? One of the first things that got me hooked about Zoo Tycoon Xbox was the supposed 100 animal collection that was announced during development. Quickly, that excitement faded away as the roster was revealed to be comprised of mostly very similar subspecies, with all the more diverse animals confined to "mini-exhibits" or being exclusive to Xbox One. I began to think about what if the game had actually delivered in regard to content, and devised a fan-made animal roster, comprising over 100 species that would be both diverse (considering animal groups, biomes, conservation status, popularity) and fitting for a real-life zoo. Many of the more exotic or least known species were "saved" for a themed premium pack or DLC so I sticked to 75 essential ones. I cheated a bit by assuming the hypothetical game would have the possibility of choosing a subspecies (if available) when you select an animal in the adoption panel. That way, you could have various Leopards (like African and Amur) occupying the same slot in the roster, instead of being treated as separate species like in previous Zoo Tycoon games. Base Game Exotic Animals Premium Pack The Americas Africa Eurasia Islands Edited by Komodo, May 1 2018, 07:11 PM.
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