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What annoys you most?; Rant here if you need to!
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 08:45 AM (309,740 Views)
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I agree whole-heartedly with you Gorsh, I used to like French Bulldogs as well but I will never support them. Bulldogs can't even breed on their own because their back legs are too weak to mount a female and the female has to be helped with the birth because the pup's heads are too large, that is SAD. Even if they are your favorite breed, when each puppy and animal is faced with hardships like this, I believe it should be banned to breed them, and people should make the most of the animals already here but then put an end to the breed, it's inhumane to bring animals into the world with purposeful deformities because you think it's "cute".
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

I'm not opposed to purebred dogs/cats/animals at all. As far as knowledgeable breeders who are breeding for the dog's benefit as a breed and not merely as a human novelty. It's almost an art-form, of sorts, being an animal breeder, and as long as it's done right with the animal's health in mind I'm not opposed. Preserving the lineages of domestic animals is definitely nothing immoral as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, there are homeless animals, but that's not the breeder's fault. I would personally probably prefer a shelter animal but I know not everyone would, and buying puppy from a good breeder and supporting that trade is fine with me - but not from a pet shop.

Puppy mills, backyard breeders who give no regard to genetics or possible health issues, and breeders of "show dogs", that are rife with horrendous deformities (or like those poor cats with stunted limbs or faces so flat they look like they ran into a building), that is just really sad and something I definitely disagree with. Some purebred dogs are still pretty much naturally shaped and have few health problems - working-type German shepherds and collies (those that aren't bred to have that sloping back or that ridiculously long thin skull), labradors, dobermans, Arctic breeds, many terriers and most retrievers. But as far as pugs, bulldogs, any brachycephalic breed, they shouldn't be bred. They're not cute to me, they're deformed little monsters rife with health issues that are, as a result of their breeding, generally half-brain dead little untrainable things that can only run in endless circles "cutely". It's really sad and honestly it's disgusting we breed such hopelessly unfit animals only for our pleasure.
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Pull my finger!

Unfortunately, more animals are being inbred to a death point as well. There's this one breed of domestic duck that has a fluffy "Afro" of feathers (forgot what it was called), but the result was from a genetic skull deformity that's very fatal. :/
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

The domestic crested duck. Yeah, they're very tricky to breed because if you pick the parents wrong and get the wrong mixes of dominant and recessive genes, the babies are born with deformed skulls with the brains showing and die when they hatch.:<
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Y'know, there are pugs that don't have most of the problems that "regular" pugs have, they look like this:
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But i agree that breeding these animals just because they look cute is shallow and cruel, and if you're going to adopt a pug, make sure it's healthy.
Edited by Dr. Hax, Oct 10 2013, 03:40 PM.
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My friend has a pug, and while she does run in circles, she is very smart. she can do a lot of tricks and she is very obedient. If you tell her to sit, she will and you can back out of a room turn a corner wait a few minutes walk back in and she wont have moved.

Anyways, whats so wrong with a dog turning circles? Don't all dogs do that? My Chihuahua dachshund mix runs in circles all the time, so does my friends golden, and my friends Australian Shepard mutt. If you're going to get a flat muzzled dog, it requires a little more care, but they aren't hopelessly sick and it isn't animal abuse.
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Running in circles is a neurological problem, dogs aren't meant to run around in circles all the time, if they do it usually means something in the brain is wired wrong and they are literally confused, or have a form of OCD. The fact is, having a flat-muzzled dog is purposely supporting a dog that's been deformed. Did you click the link that Gorsh posted about Pugs? About how some of them can't even wear COLLARS because it pops out their eyeballs because their face is so deformed?
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

Not every single pug has the severe health issues and many dogs run in circles for fun; but some dogs do it subconsciously almost like a seizure.

Also, my three dogs - all mixed breeds with diverse genes - have never in their lives ran in circles.

To own one is not animal abuse. To breed them only for looks with no thought to health is. I'm sure we could breed a pug with a snout long enough for it to breathe well enough and with a braincase big enough; those dogs do exist and were the original stock. But we've, for cuteness, over selected for some very unhealthy traits which we now see in most pugs.
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Pull my finger!

If you ever thought that pigs or bulldogs were bad, take a look at the Japanese chin.

This breed is sooo inbred, that it has a severe underbite.

All enigma leopard geckos have a disorder called "Enigma Syndrome", possibly caused by severe inbreeding as well. The geckos constantly spin in circles, roll over for hours, have seizures, and can even die, due to their brains being incorrectly wired. Some have it more severe than others.
Edited by Fluffs, Oct 10 2013, 06:30 PM.
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

There are also pet mice with a neurological issue that makes them run in circles obsessively sold as novelty pets, pet fishes with grossly deformed swim bladders and shortened spines sold as "balloon fishes", and pet rats bred with no tail - but which also often results in them being born paralyzed as too much of the spine is absent - because people are just so afraid of the natural tail rats normally are supposed to have.

We need to stop fricking with nature to make things cuter for us.
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Dr. Hax
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Though i've seen the variety the pug originally looked like in the most popular youtube videos (Such as this one ), i agree that it's disgusting to do that.
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

And don't even get me started on those poor cats bred with the short, twisted forelimbs and forced to hop around like deformed kangaroos...
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Pull my finger!

And white tigers who have jacked-up optic nerves that affect their vision
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Sheather
Oct 10 2013, 06:31 PM
There are also pet mice with a neurological issue that makes them run in circles obsessively sold as novelty pets, pet fishes with grossly deformed swim bladders and shortened spines sold as "balloon fishes", and pet rats bred with no tail - but which also often results in them being born paralyzed as too much of the spine is absent - because people are just so afraid of the natural tail rats normally are supposed to have.

We need to stop fricking with nature to make things cuter for us.
Agreed. This kind of thing was Jurassic Park's downfall. They bred their dinosaurs to look like the popular depictions rather than the real thing, and look how it turned out. I think that was part of the message of the movie, that we shouldn't change nature to fit our liking.
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I thought it wasn't to make them look like their depictions but rather because there wasn't enough DNA they could salvage, so they pieced together what they didn't have with things like frog DNA without looking into what possible side effects that might have.
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