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What annoys you most?; Rant here if you need to!
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 08:45 AM (309,595 Views)
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stargatedalek
Jul 23 2014, 10:35 PM
so Duck Dynasty people should not have been allowed to own machine guns?
because I was forced to watch the show and they shot up a beaver lodge with machine guns
Were they fully automatic or semi-automatic? You can modify most guns to switch between the two (turn a semi-auto to a fully auto and vice-versa with kits you can purchase online, or scrounge for store-to-store).

You can purchase an automatic or "NFA" (National Firearms Act) weapon after applying for a special license (which requires a lot of money, and written approval from your local police chief/sheriff).

Individuals not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State, or local law may lawfully acquire an NFA firearm in one of three ways:

1. A registered owner of an NFA firearm may apply to ATF for approval to transfer the firearm to another person residing in the same State or to a Federal firearms licensee in another State;
2. An individual may apply to ATF for approval to make and register an NFA firearm (except for a machine-gun); or
3. An individual may inherit a lawfully registered NFA firearm.

So while no one can just waltz into a gun store and purchase a machine gun off the wall or out of the display case, you can apply for an ownership license from the ATF. There are also special "collector's licenses" that you can apply for to own otherwise banned or unavailable (to civilians) firearms, but again... they're difficult to get approval for and are prohibitively expensive.

My guess is that the Duck Dynasty folks have an NFA license(s). Remember, rich people get to play by different rules than the rest of us plebeians. If you have enough money, you can do whatever you want.

And regarding having this "debate" again and again... I think it's important to continue talking about it in a reasonable way, so that people on both sides can see that not everyone opposed to their viewpoint is a lunatic. Talking about this kind of stuff is how positive, effective change is made.

Personally, I think you should have to register with the Fed to own any kind of firearm. People get jumpy over that because it gives "Big Brother" one more way to monitor you and one more way to put your name on a list, but if I have to be tested and licensed to operate a car, I should have to do the same to operate a firearm. Most gun owners are responsible and well-practiced, but plenty are not. I've seen some dumb, dumb shit happen at various ranges, including one Darwin Award candidate rent a Desert Eagle ("Yeah yeah, I've shot one before, derp!") and fire it single-handed, cocked to the side like a gangster. Idiot broke his wrist on the first trigger pull (and served him right, IMO).
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ARGH. Double post. :C
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I don't know if this makes it any better, but Si from the show is actually a veteran from Vietnam, so it's not like he doesn't know how to handle a weapon of war. Also, hunting is a southern tradition, lots of people down here grow up learning how to hunt, I shot my first squirrel when I was 7, so they're all somewhat familiar with firearms. And like MiBound said, rich people have a different set of rules than us, like it or not. And by the way MiBound, I hope this isn't inappropriate, but I have to say I laughed at that story about the kid with the Deagle. You shouldn't have to be licensed to know a Deagle is pure power and holding it like that is just plain dumb. Doesn't matter if you're trying to show off or you think you can handle it just because you see it on T.V, that's just a lack of judgment and common sense.
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I wouldn't call it hunting
it was mindless destruction to gain viewers
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And also just because something is tradition doesn't necessarily justify it IMO.

Not saying this is the case with hunting, just pointing out the flaw in the logic.
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Jul 23 2014, 11:33 PM
I don't know if this makes it any better, but Si from the show is actually a veteran from Vietnam, so it's not like he doesn't know how to handle a weapon of war. Also, hunting is a southern tradition, lots of people down here grow up learning how to hunt, I shot my first squirrel when I was 7, so they're all somewhat familiar with firearms. And like MiBound said, rich people have a different set of rules than us, like it or not. And by the way MiBound, I hope this isn't inappropriate, but I have to say I laughed at that story about the kid with the Deagle. You shouldn't have to be licensed to know a Deagle is pure power and holding it like that is just plain dumb. Doesn't matter if you're trying to show off or you think you can handle it just because you see it on T.V, that's just a lack of judgment and common sense.
I was very good friends with one of the guys who worked at the range, and we were just hanging out in the front of the store, where they also kept a collection of firearms you could rent and either take a lesson from the RM with, or shoot on your own--IF--you signed a waiver that stated you knew how to use the weapon, the range wasn't responsible for any injuries or destruction of property caused by misuse of the weapon, etc.

Dude came in acting all tough, pointed at the DE in the case and when asked by my friend if he'd ever fired one, he said something to the effect of "Of course I have!" So he signed the waiver, paid for the rental and ammo (declined ear/eye protection, so that should have been the first clue...).

We all filed into the sound-proofed observation room to watch this disaster-in-the-making... We figured he'd just get scared of the gun after shooting a few rounds and leave. Then he did the one-handed gangster stance and my buddy scrambled out of the observation room to correct him, but got there too late. Popped off a single round and his wrist looked like it was constructed out of wet spaghetti. It was actually pretty gross at the time, but hilarious afterwards. What an idiot.

Also... "Duck Dynasty" is an abortion of a TV show. Lowest common denominator viewership and a completely fabricated "lifestyle." Look up pictures of the family before they got a TV show. All clean-cut, polo-wearing rich folk. It's all made up for TV.
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What's the purpose of hunting with Machineguns ? you can't even eat the animal because most likely it will be destroyed by the bullets. Use a rifle or a shotgun, but a machine is used only to make you think you are "cooler" (not to mention the higher chances of hitting someone due to higher number of bullets flyng in the air).

I myself prefered if fire weapons weren't easily obtainable.
Even here, in a country full of problems, I think they would only make things worst.
But I guess that banning guns from 'Murica would be as hard as eradicating catfish, so they should at least be heavily regulated.
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US has the most guns

US has the most(only) shootings

Go figure
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IIRC they weren't hunting with them just using them to destroy the beavers/beaver lodge with. I don't remember exactly why, but I think it had something to do with the beavers destroying their land.

As for the show being real. Yes, it was highly scripted, but the people are actually the same as they are on the show, they're not pulling some "reality" tv acting. (For the most part.)

I can say this because several of my friends have met them before. Jase actually hunted at one's ranches and had a meal with him.


Anyways, the fact that school starts up soon annoys me.

Edit: Trisdino, where are you getting your information? Take a look at this Harvard study.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/27/Harvard-Study-Shows-No-Correlation-Between-Strict-Gun-Control-And-Less-Crime-Violence
Edited by Kaleb, Jul 24 2014, 03:48 AM.
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●■♥WHY?♥■●

My braces are annoying me again, they slice my cheek from the inside, despite me putting the wax thing on. And still they hurt like mad, it makes me mad to think that I'll have them for a year. :(
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trisdino
Jul 24 2014, 03:24 AM
US has the most guns

US has the most(only) shootings

Go figure
I don't understand what you're trying to illustrate here. This is like saying "The ocean has the most fish. The ocean has the most people fishing in it. Go figure."

Of course the US is going to have the most shootings as we own a lot of guns. As a female, I'd still rather my government allow me to purchase and own a weapon that can level the playing field when my home is broken into or I'm cornered by a potential mugger or rapist. I'm an adult, and I've done the necessary training, maintenance and practice to use my firearms appropriately. The problem is that people who already have emotional or psychological problems have relatively easy access to very dangerous weapons, and the US has a very, very sh-tty mental health support system.

The idea that taking weapons away from people who already obey the law is going to somehow keep weapons out of the hands of people who are already breaking existing laws that prohibit them from owning weapons (i.e. a federal offense conviction strips you of your right to own a firearm, you can't purchase from an unlicensed dealer, and you can't traffic weapons across international borders) is preposterous. People who break laws to own weapons they shouldn't have aren't going to suddenly start obeying new laws banning anyone from owning any kind of firearm.

And just because I always find it interesting, here's a fun fact: After the 1996 gun ban in Australia, murders using firearms noticeably decreased (duh), but violent crimes increased compared to their level post 1996 through 2010. Here's a chart from 2011's Australian Crime Statistics Report, as collected by the Australian government.

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I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that law-abiding citizens forfeited their means of personal protection, and criminals took advantage of that knowledge and increased their activity, knowing that their targets and victims probably wouldn't have a weapon with which to defend themselves.

So, yeah, I'll keep my CCW and my firearms, thankyouverymuch.

Also... Duck Dynasty dudes before their TV show:

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Hoo, boy. That there is a rough-and-tumble backwoods family!
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You know what has is really the problem here is? Not weapons, access or where you live ... its People!

Is it just more or do more people just randomly and violently kill these days? I watch the news and just shake my head. The world has gone loopy! To my surprise so many of these violent acts are from people 16-28. Latest I saw was a story on 20/20 ... a teenage boy killed his parents with a hammer because they took away his internet privileges and grounded him for skipping school.
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Jul 24 2014, 05:25 AM
You know what has is really the problem here is? Not weapons, access or where you live ... its People!

Is it just more or do more people just randomly and violently kill these days? I watch the news and just shake my head. The world has gone loopy! To my surprise so many of these violent acts are from people 16-28. Latest I saw was a story on 20/20 ... a teenage boy killed his parents with a hammer because they took away his internet privileges and grounded him for skipping school.
I know... I was just reading an article about the trial starting for the man who shot a young woman in Detroit through a door, in the dark. She'd been in a car accident, and walked about 3 miles (I think) from the scene of the accident (she was allegedly intoxicated, and probably concussed), and knocked on this guy's door for help.

He shot her through the door with a shotgun and she died. I mean... what the hell? This happened in Detroit (I live in the Detroit Metro area, though not within city limits), so everyone is making it a black v. white thing (Renisha (the victim) was black, the shooter is white), whereas I think it's a lack of value placed on human life thing.

I mean... who shoots someone through a door without even attempting to find out what was going on and with no reason to suspect the person on the other side meant you harm? Why is the first reaction to seriously injure and/or kill someone for banging on the door in the middle of the night? Is it annoying and possibly scary? Sure. Is being annoyed and scared reason enough to shoot a stranger through a closed door without even attempting to find out what they wanted?

I just keep imagining what was going through her head... she was probably hurt and confused, finally figured she couldn't walk anymore or really did need to get to a hospital (I think her friend tried to get her to stay at the scene of the accident and wait for the ambo, but she declined for whatever reason)... She went up to the nearest house and knocked on the door to ask for help, and the homeowner shot and killed her because he felt "threatened."

Effing sad, man. What a waste of a life.
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MiBound
Jul 23 2014, 11:11 PM
ARGH. Double post. :C
Have you reported it to the staff?
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I think that would be overkill


I do sort of understand where Trisdino is coming from, if it was possible to remove all guns in one go (which it isn't) than that would also solve a lot of problems, it would not be a perfect solution no, but it would be just as effective as giving every single person a gun, if not more so

use Canada as a reference point, guns are still allowed for hunting/recreation, and obviously for law enforcement, but there are strict regulations about keeping one at home, and most certainly you are not allowed to carry one in public, no the law doesn't care if the gun in your coat is for self defense, because theres no way you can prove that, so no one gets to carry fire arms in public outside of law enforcement (similar laws also applies to things such as swords), pepper spray is arguably more effective at defending yourself, plus pulling a gun only makes you a target and people who try to play the hero are often the ones who end up dead

but this would not be easy to apply to the USA, it would require the A) disablement or B) seizure, of hundreds of thousands of guns, which is not something that A) many people would want to agree to and B) not something many administrations would be willing to pay for
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