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| Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 08:45 AM (309,869 Views) | |
| Teutonic | Jul 6 2013, 04:21 AM Post #916 |
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Well its too expensive for the crap*y bus im in! |
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| Similis | Jul 6 2013, 04:58 AM Post #917 |
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I presume the same way religious ones can. What concerns me is the fact that some groups feel entitled to make public shows of their own lack of respect to anything but themselves. |
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Jul 6 2013, 07:21 AM Post #918 |
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Athiests "don't believe" in anything so they can't make a statue "based on their beliefs". The closest you might be able to get is famous scientists but athiesm =/= science. |
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| Similis | Jul 6 2013, 07:52 AM Post #919 |
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Did you actually look up what's written on the bench, or you reject atheists possiblity to have their own monuments simply because they're atheists? It serves just as much purpose like the other monument there so why should a statue devoted to particular religion be more important than that of the other religion, or even that of people with no religion? Is religion the only 'value'(For certain contexts I really dislike this word being used for description of religion) that should be worth making a monument for? |
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Jul 6 2013, 07:54 AM Post #920 |
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No, and I'm not saying that athiests can't have their own monument. But I was telling the truth, you can't have something "based on beliefs" when your belief is you have none. |
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| Similis | Jul 6 2013, 08:05 AM Post #921 |
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And where in fact does the bench have written "Founded in belief in Atheism"? I did never mention it is founded based on beliefs, just that atheists have the same right as religious people to build their own things in public, preferably without having those things devastated by religious people. But, in the end, I've seen religious monuments devastated by religious people, so the whole group-based devastation can be just aswell left alone :] |
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Jul 6 2013, 08:14 AM Post #922 |
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I guess I just can't find sympathy when Athiests ask for everyone else to take their things down or that they should have no value, then ask for their own to have value? I guess you give what you get? Both sides have their hateful people but not everyone is that way. I have athiests friends, they respect my religion and don't mock it or stomp over it. So I don't bring it up to them, but half of the things you post here are being against some religious something, when there are muslims, christians and various other religions that frequent the board who from what I can tell. Never post anything negative, other than maybe creationism or evolution. |
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| Similis | Jul 6 2013, 08:44 AM Post #923 |
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Proof pls. I'd really love to see my posts lined up showing the amount of things I post about religious stuff and things that have nothing to do with religion at all. Being against vandalism and mocking people publicly doesn't mean I go against religious something, unless doing such things belongs only within religion. When asked about existence of atheist monuments I explained my position.
So... when I enter "what annoys you most" topic I shouldn't post my disagreement with things that annoy me? Did I say "religion is bad/evil/whatever_negative_thing_you_can_imagine"? Please explain this, it's quite confusing. |
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Jul 6 2013, 09:19 AM Post #924 |
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Pull my finger!
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This arguement going on. |
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| Stephen | Jul 6 2013, 09:23 AM Post #925 |
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Stuck on Earth
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Thank you TFR. Extremists of any kind. Not every Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Jew, Belieber or Directioner is your enemy. Except maybe the Beliebers. They are reaaaally on the edge of the inacceptable. |
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Jul 6 2013, 09:29 AM Post #926 |
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Pull my finger!
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This reminds me of the rabid weaboos. |
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| Teutonic | Jul 6 2013, 09:41 AM Post #927 |
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Oh can you please not talk about religion,i hate it,i am a Catholic and all that,but i dont go to the church-why? Because im disgusted by the Christians in my city They call themselves Christians but whenever they get out of the church they use saints and God to swear and the rest are freaking drug bosses-hope now you know why living here sucks-also this annoys me. Also most of my relatives from my fathers side are atheist,but thats not a reason to hate on Christians-but only the 2 faced ones
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| Murdock129 | Jul 6 2013, 09:52 AM Post #928 |
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One of the issues is the fact that while America was founded as a secular nation, Atheists actually have very little power in America these days (If I remember correctly a minute population of politicians being elected are atheists), and people of certain religious denominations are trying to change and manipulate America to fit their personal interpretation of whichever religious texts interest them. America as a nation was founded where Church and State are separate, meaning all in all when Atheists complain about public funds being used on Religious statues and monuments, they are kinda right, since while you're allowed to practice whatever religion you please in America the government and by extension public property and funds shouldn't be used to promote any religion. I also would note that while Atheists don't have set beliefs, there are still symbols with distinct meaning in an atheist context, such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Christian Fish with Legs, so you could make a monument out of those since they are important and meaningful symbols to Atheists Honestly I don't think Atheists should have monuments in public places, but nor should any set religion, sure feel free to put these up on private property all you like, but both Atheism and Religion are an expression of religious belief one way or the other, Atheism is a belief as much as Christianity or Islam is, and I personally don't think public funds should go towards the creation and upkeep of something which is an Atheist monument, just as I don't think public funds (or land) should go to Christian Monuments.
@MrGorsh, this appears to be quite an inflammatory remark, while I am not accusing you of intending it that way, the way you chose to say this could easily be misconstrued as a form of attack and as having a distinctly hostile tone
While I can understand that you didn't openly say that you find it that way, bringing religious subjects up in a 'what annoys you most' topic almost always comes across as an attack, whether intended as one or not, therefore I'd personally suggest that while you might find things involving religious aspects annoying, that you do not post them, the same broadly goes for anyone on this subject
The problem is that your post didn't show that you were complaining about mocking people publicly or vandalism, you showed a link and simply said behaviour like this (the link being of a preacher preaching on an Atheist monument), IF your entire focus had been about vandalism and mocking people publicly as opposed to Religion vs Atheism which you must admit is a very controversial topic that comes up a lot in Debate forums and such in this community, and besides Creationism and Gun Rights is the one that spews most arguments, then all in all you should have made it very clear that those were the things that upset you about this video. If that isn't the case and you are very upset about Religious people disrespecting an Atheist monument, fine, you're entitled to be upset, but when you don't clarify, and then follow it up with:
It certainly feels like an attack on Religion as a whole, especially given how you jumped quite effectively from Kayla saying how since Atheists don't have a distinct set of beliefs she doesn't see how they could make a monument based on their beliefs, (which again is kinda true, though you could argue for a monument based on people's lack of belief, I've already said my piece on this). Also given how you start asking about if one particular religion being more important is the case (which is not the issue here), while you didn't say it, it comes across as if you're saying 'Do you think your religion should be more important than my lack of religion?', which will only cause arguments and is rather unnecessary
Founded? Now that's out of the way, I think if you look back Kayla never made mention of the bench itself, rather she simply stated her belief about Atheist monuments which I just went over so won't again Did I cover everything there? I hope so, and also on both counts, please don't feel like I'm trying to attack either of you, I'm just trying to stop another argument before it escalates, which these have a tendency to, as well as giving my own two cents, though I'll stop now since this isn't the Debate forum at ZTV May I make a request to everyone, Teutonic, MrGorsh and everyone else, we impose a ban on bringing up religion/lack of it in this topic, as well as ending the discussion here? Edited by Murdock129, Jul 6 2013, 09:53 AM.
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| Similis | Jul 6 2013, 10:03 AM Post #929 |
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Forgive my poor english skills and using a wrong word here, I wish my vocabulary was more elaborate :] When I posted the link it was aimed directly at the behaviour(which is clearly vandalism and mockery). Preaching doesn't concern me at all, unless it's the 'showoff' one that even the Bible despises. But allright now, I will no more bring here or engage in the belief/disbelief topic. |
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| Murdock129 | Jul 6 2013, 10:18 AM Post #930 |
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That's ok, if this was a Polish site I'd be hoping people would be forgiving me for the fact that I'm not fluent in Polish Something that annoys me is when painting warhammer, when I need to paint the same color over and over, all my Abyssal Dwarfs are silver with gold trim, black bears and red capes. That means I need to paint the silver armor first so I can paint the gold on and the red and faces around them. This means I have about fifty Dwarves with enormous amounts of silver to pain on, and I just pained a bunch of other silver models (Bull Centaurs) |
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