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Topic Started: Mar 5 2013, 11:20 PM (694,530 Views)
Dylan
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I think naru makes good points. It is peoples decisions what they use guns for. Not the guns

If Pence wants to 'silence' LGBT, Muslims and other minorities, I would still with Trump. The Wall will never get built. We all know this. It is estimated to cost $25 bn that the US doesn't have/ could use in more effective ways. It would go over mountains, through rivers and deserts and towns. What about the Caribbean sea. People could just build rafts and boats like in the Mediterranean. Moreover (I think a point often overlooked) 40% of immigrants came by plane
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Dylan
Nov 9 2016, 05:33 PM
If Pence wants to 'silence' LGBT, Muslims and other minorities, I would still with Trump.
Honestly the idea that you are ok with intentionally segregating others just because they are different than you is an unsettling trend.
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stargatedalek
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Way to prove my point about Trump supporters mate. Reported you for racism and homophobia too, regardless of context outright saying such people don't matter is a violation of site rules.
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Dylan
 
If Pence wants to 'silence' LGBT, Muslims and other minorities
No matter if Trump says so, or Pence says so, and even if they make laws

They literally cannot do that because that would lead to huge riots and eventually a coup.

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Edited by Narukota, Nov 9 2016, 06:14 PM.
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Imperator Furiosa
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Chaos Theory

Alright can we please try to calm down a bit? Yes, some people are legitimately scared and they have every right to express that. But the fact of the matter is Trump won, and there's nothing that will really change that (outside of his removal from the position for whatever reason). Also keep in mind that he isn't popular with establishment Republicans who still are largely in congress, so they'll act as a safe-guard hopefully. And believe it or not, but most Republicans will still try to uphold the law of the land rather than enforce their personal views. I'm not happy with the election results personally but all I can do is accept it and move on, that's all we can do.
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Yeah Furiosa's got a point. Sorry if I added fuel to the fire, as it were. I did end my earlier statement the way I did earlier for a reason: whatever happens, things will probably be a bit rough for people going forward, so the best we can do is be there for each other. You seem to all be generally decent people, I think we can put aside our biases to be there for each other should something serious happen. I for one hope everyone here is okay in the coming months, I know a lot of people are freaking out worse than me.

Thankfully checks and balances are a thing that exists, so we'll see what happens. Hopefully we'll all come out of this okay.
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King of Lemurs

Meanwhile amongst the chaos, Burns has found out how to train and where to buy carrier pigeons.
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

This is very entertaining. At least Narukota has gone into depth and not putting twists on what Trump has said.

Never has he said he wanted to deport all hispanics or that he wants to deport all muslims.
He said he wants to cut down on illegal immigration. How is that racist? Are illegal immigrants a race? I never knew. Not to mention we have had the border up for a reason. Apparently wanting to defend a country's border is racism. I guess the Japanese are racist as well for being in isolation back in the 1600s and disliking foreigners, or any country that defends its borders to this day.

Oh, a perfect example on some muslims turning out to be terrorists is happening right now in Europe. Have you seen all increases in riots? There are Middle-Eastern people, most of them being refugees, attacking cops and raping European citizens. Unfortunately, they are making all muslims seem like this.

Yeah, there will always be rioting and rape, but it has been increasing ever since refugees have been left in without a stagnant amount of background checks. Even so it has failed.

Not to mention they aren't "running" to safety. There are plenty of countries between them and the war-torn areas, yet they are precisely going to places like France and Sweden. Why? For benefits, not safety. This is one of the main reasons the U.K. seceded from the European Union.

A perfect analogy to this is, if you were offered M&Ms but some of them were poisoned, would you still take them?

Now, I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but he's the lesser of two evils in this case. The whole "mysoginist" accussations from Clinton supporters is hypocritical because of what Bill Clinton did. Hillary silenced and even mocked the rape victims of Bill

Hillary has done so much worse things than Trump. While Trump said "mean stuff".

Don't even get me started on Sanders.

I'd go a lot more in depth but I'm probably going to be called a facist, racist, xenophobe, etc.

Just chill out, children.
Edited by Envy, Nov 9 2016, 09:13 PM.
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I AM THE UNSHRINKWRAPPER!

Burns
Nov 9 2016, 08:07 PM
Meanwhile amongst the chaos, Burns has found out how to train and where to buy carrier pigeons.
This is epic. Thank you, Burns. You made my day go up about ten notches.

Also, I looked at Tardigrades today! Real, living Tardigrades! It's amazing that creatures you can't even see (and are completely transparent when you can see them) can be so utterly adorable.
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Jannick
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Papua merdeka!

Narukota
Nov 9 2016, 04:28 PM
huge political explanation and summary w/opinions. don't click if offended easily
Props to you for voting based on rational thought instead of letting yourself be guided by the high emotions that have dominated this election, but I'm afraid there are more than a few glaring problems with your reasoning.
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Edited by Jannick, Nov 10 2016, 12:04 AM.
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Captain Phasma
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So yeah, Trump and Pence won, I'm scared ****less, and me and the boyfriend are moving to Canada 😂
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Jannick
Nov 9 2016, 11:17 PM
Narukota
Nov 9 2016, 04:28 PM
huge political explanation and summary w/opinions. don't click if offended easily
Props to you for voting based on rational thought instead of letting yourself be guided by the high emotions that have dominated this elections, but I'm afraid there are more than a few glaring problems with your reasoning.
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And you pretty much just fixed every mistake/misinterpretation/misinformation I had in that post and I like your abundance of unbiased information. ;) Respect, bro.

I flubbed on some statements. May go back to edit and correct them soon.
Edited by Narukota, Nov 9 2016, 11:38 PM.
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

Jannick
Nov 9 2016, 11:17 PM
Narukota
Nov 9 2016, 04:28 PM
huge political explanation and summary w/opinions. don't click if offended easily
Props to you for voting based on rational thought instead of letting yourself be guided by the high emotions that have dominated this elections, but I'm afraid there are more than a few glaring problems with your reasoning.
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Here's my reply to you, Jannick.

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Edited by Envy, Nov 10 2016, 12:25 AM.
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Jannick
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Papua merdeka!

Very good, a lot of information from a lot of mostly unbiased sources. Point conceded. I think it is important to note, however, that much of your sources describe Sweden, which has very loose immigration and asylum policy, and this does not necessarily extrapolate to all of Europe. I misinterpreted your original post, my bad. I don't think it's radical islamists that are commiting the rapes, however. From what I've learned in my own country, a lot of the harassment by refugees stems from different cultural norms towards women and a lack of education and integration on sexual and gender norms directed towards refugees, which is a problem that absolutely requires fixing.

I still think your initial M&Ms analogy was problematic since it seemed to suggest that you believed we should not let any refugees in, but I agree with your more nuanced explanation.
Edited by Jannick, Nov 10 2016, 12:41 AM.
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Envy
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Would you look at me? I'm setting records.

Jannick
Nov 10 2016, 12:32 AM
Very good, a lot of information from a lot of mostly unbiased sources. Point conceded. I think it is important to note, however, that much of your sources describe Sweden, which has very loose immigration and asylum policy, and this does not necessarily extrapolate to all of Europe. I misinterpreted your original post, my bad. I don't think it's radical islamists that are commiting the rapes, however. From what I've learned in my own country, a lot of the harassment by refugees stems from different cultural norms towards women and a lack of education and integration on sexual and gender norms directed towards refugees, which is a problem that absolutely requires fixing.

I still think your initial M&Ms analogy was problematic since it seemed to suggest that you believed we should not let any refugees in, but I agree with your more nuanced explanation.
Well, that's why I also posted some links to videos and websites describing incidents in Germany and France as well. I know Sweden is generally more f*cked than the majority of the European countries though.

My analogy is basically that the United States should be very careful in them letting in muslim refugees, or from war-torn areas. Because some of those refugees could be radical and of terrorist nature. Or, at least not let any refugees in until the situation has died down more, we have enough riots and police incidents to worry about as it is. There are plenty of places they can go to that are closer and offer them more benefits. Not to mention the screening process to be accepted into the U.S. takes far longer than it does in the majority of Europe.

Now, when I say for the U.S. to not let any refugees in it isn't mainly because of "omgee they r gunma be terurrists". It's because more riots will break out between hate groups or people that are generally scared that what has happened in Europe will occur in the United States as well.

Does that mean the riots or race wars happening here will stop whether or not refugees are let in? No, but it will definitely increase heavily if it occurs.

If they stop refugees in, it would be temporary and not indefinitely. I think they will eventually let refugees in, but under heavy screening and possible surveillance. They are already watching everyone anyways. Honestly, it wouldn't be a good option.

When I was younger, it took like 1 1/2 years before I was able to migrate here, and I wasn't even born in a country that was war or terrorism torn. Imagine how long it would take for a refugee from a terrorist and war-torn country. Just not really a good option if you think about it.
Edited by Envy, Nov 10 2016, 09:48 AM.
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