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| The Man in Black | Aug 9 2014, 10:30 AM Post #12691 |
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That doesn't sound too positive. What do you mean? |
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| Nomis | Aug 9 2014, 10:33 AM Post #12692 |
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I don't think they're saying anything really bad about us members. Edited by Nomis, Aug 9 2014, 10:34 AM.
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Aug 9 2014, 11:21 AM Post #12693 |
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We could all go back and visit MIBound being caught mocking and flaming members within the athiest hideout, that wasn't too leak-proof either. Something harsh was said about MIBound in the staff forum, no one else because of her post in the aurora designs topic. I was the one who said it, I'm not ashamed to admit it, I'm a human. I thought that her comparing people being impatient with AD with a man beating his wife was uncalled for and I said that she was brown-nosing AD. That's all that was said. |
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| Danny | Aug 9 2014, 11:47 AM Post #12694 |
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MiBound, I can personally guarantee that the majority of negative member-related talk in the staff room concerns site problems. Sure, there are often other opinions shared by the staff about the behaviour of certain members and other things like that, but that's normal for any private group. Having been inside both Gaia's and TRT's staff forums for long amounts of time when each site had been at its prime, I can also guarantee you that there is always talk like such and always will be within staff forums. The problem here is really that your friend, a staff member, leaked that and that you are continuing to do so. I'm not sure which member of the staff told you what was said and we do try our best to keep non-staff-related matters out of the staff room, but it is really not a big deal. For all I know, there could be several private hangouts, personal messages and communications between multiple members on this forum completely trash-talking and attacking me or other staff members. Those could also very easily be leaked. I'm sure you yourself have probably been involved in talking in such a negative way about another member(s) with another member(s). There are very few members who haven't been. Yes, I do know that it reflects badly on the site when it comes from the staff hangout, and something being leaked from another private group doesn't have the same problems... But your comment does seem a little ridiculous to me when you are complaining about the sort of thing that you have almost certainly been involved in yourself. Just because one or two members of the staff say something negative about you or any other members doesn't mean we are evil, hateful staff who plan on ruining your day. We are all people who get frustrated by the actions of other people, just as you are now. I'm not sure if your post was supposed to be some sort of revenge against whatever you hear that was leaked, but all your post can really do is scare other members about something they really shouldn't be afraid of. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 9 2014, 11:55 AM Post #12695 |
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The difference, Komori, is that I'm not a staff member. Anyone I "flamed" in the Atheist Hangout was done sarcastically, and was more geared to opinions, not the person him/herself (I.e: that opinion is stupid v. That person is stupid). And to be clear, I didn't compare complaining to beating. I said claiming that demanding things is proof of admiration is as absurd as a man who beats his wife claiming he does so because he loves her. It's cute that you can bring up something entirely outside of what happened today in order to make yourself look less culpable and try to throw dirt on me... Because if I'm an asshole, it's totally okay for you to do something that anyone else on this forum--myself included--would get warned for. Right now I'm going to collapse this part of the forum and concentrate on Marathon. Then I'll do what is clearly desired by the staff and leave. @Danny: not revenge or a scare tactic at all. Just a heads up that things leak, and that people are aware of what's being said. I'm not the only one and this was not the only incident. I apologize if it came off threatening. I thought the made that clear.
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| Similis | Aug 9 2014, 12:07 PM Post #12696 |
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It's a hangout. Luckily, we're not forced into some sort of underground ops anymore, at least not in the civilised parts of the world. ![]() @Danny, when info like this leaks, it's bad. For the person who's been talked about, for those who talked and for the staff in general, because it shows that the integrity of it has been compromised. But I don't have to remind anyone of it, I think. I'm certain that I have a file somewhere in the staff part of the forum due to the constant dosage of rage I give to people here and grudges possibly kept, though any eventual rants, trash-talks and such don't concern me, as they're petty and insignificant, but I can see why it might've pissed off Cas. As a bystander and a regular member, I'm actually amused. First, by the fact that such info managed to leak, second, by the reactions it got. The only question that comes to my mind, are problems with members solved methodically or by ranting, to put it mildly, about them alone? Or is this a combination of the two? |
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| Danny | Aug 9 2014, 12:08 PM Post #12697 |
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It's not so much whether or not it was meant as a threat as the fact that the sort of comment you made can quite easily cause further site problems and lead to fear when it really isn't needed. This sort of thing doesn't need to spread further than what it already had once you heard it, so posting your concerns in the staff PM box would have been far more appropriate. ![]() Of course, the main issue at hand is not at all your fault, and we apologise that you were offended and hurt by this. Hopefully, we can sort through what happened and it won't end up being too big a deal. @MrGorsh, most of the problems with members are solved methodically, although the staff forums can also be a way for staff to vent their frustrations privately, where it would simply be inappropriate to do so publicly. The biggest concern here is that information was leaked in the first place. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 9 2014, 12:19 PM Post #12698 |
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Noted, Danny, but it's a little hard to willingly go to the staff about something that another staff member did/said in the staff room, that I shouldn't know about, save that another staffer thought it was really mean and uncalled for and decided to let me know because she's trying to do right by the forum and it's members. All I said was that things leak. KM is the one who went into detail. |
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Aug 9 2014, 12:27 PM Post #12699 |
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The staff is a unit yes, but it's made up by individuals. One staff member doing wrong does not mean the whole team is suddenly spoiled. You could have done things quietly and had the attention brought to the admins about me and what I said since you know that I was the one to say it, no one else. I brought up the atheist thing because again, it was a private group where alot of you vented your anger out about other members behind closed doors. We vent about trouble members sometimes, yes. But that's because we're human, and we take extra time out of our day to try and keep the forum moving along. Trouble members make that job more tedious and taxing to do, so there might be a word here and there, but it's usually never malicious, just frustration. An emotion all human beings possess. I'm not ashamed that I had a human moment, just because I'm staff doesn't suddenly turn my emotions off. I took no actual actions towards you to abuse my power, no one was warned, no one's posting rights were effected or the like. I just stated my opinion behind closed doors and you brought it to the limelight. No one wants you to leave the site but you admittedly take things to extremes, quite often. This is something that's been told to you before, back at Gaia. |
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| Danny | Aug 9 2014, 12:32 PM Post #12700 |
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Yes, Azrael, but whenever you are part of a group, an individual's actions reflect the rest of the team. ![]() It is true that what you said should probably not have been said. However, it is also true that what was leaked should not have been leaked... AND it is also true that what was shared to the public should not have been shared to the public. From what I can see about all of this is that it really isn't a huge deal. Just that several individuals and/or groups have made it into one. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 9 2014, 12:36 PM Post #12701 |
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Same was told to you, if memory serves. I did nothing extreme, Komori. I made a vague statement without mentioning names or specifics so that the person responsible (you) would understand that what they say "in private" isn't staying private. You provided the details, brought up a whole bunch of shit completely irrelevant to what you said in the staff room in order to... Make it look less unprofessional because I'm a mean person, so I shouldn't dare to say anything about this? Tell yourself whatever you want, KM. You'll be the "real victim" again, same as always. |
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| caviar | Aug 9 2014, 12:39 PM Post #12702 |
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As a person who doesn't have nothing to do with the problem, i'd like that all of you both staff and members, remember why was gaia downfall, it wasn't because of TRT, or because of a new design grouo taking place somewhere else, it was because of the big amount of fights beetween staff and members, to the point that as my memory goes some members couldn't say anything before been attacked in the backdoors by the staff, i've been told many times of what was going on there, i'm going to highligth one aspect about it, Danny do you remember when certain gaia staff laughed about your relationship with susan, yet even when both of you felt harmed you TALKED and FIXED the problem with said staff, guys this is what we are laking of, communication it is obvious a problem beetween azrael and MiBound, but are we gonna let this small argument to ruin the site?, girls act like the grown ups you are, and just fix you goddamm problems, the feeling this little figth has made just tear off this community apart. |
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| Danny | Aug 9 2014, 12:41 PM Post #12703 |
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MiBound, I do believe Azrael's posts explaining details actually help to put the issue in context, considering your vague post raised the alarm that "something's going on in the staff forum", but didn't really explain much else. And to both of you but specifically Az, details of history from what has happened on another site have nothing to do with this issue. And also to both of you, this discussion is bordering on flaming. Please calm down a little or end this discussion entirely. |
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| Anton | Aug 9 2014, 12:42 PM Post #12704 |
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Sorry to suddenly pop in, I know it's none of my business. From what I've gathered though, neither of you are in the right here. Komori shouldn't have said the things she said, but in all honesty it was in a private chat and everyone voices his opinion about other people in private chats, that's just human. On the other hand, MiBound shouldn't have mentioned it here, in public, either, but I understand her frustration, people talking about you behind your back is very annoying. To me, the real culprit and the one who made this all such a big deal is the person leaking this to MiBound. If you aren't part of the conversation, there was no real need to spoil this, all it causes is harm and stress. That's just my opinion though, I'll stay out of it from here on out. Also, leaving for this would be pretty ridiculous. Act as if nothing ever happened, you're old enough to not give a sh!t about what somebody else says about you. |
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| Fireplume | Aug 9 2014, 12:52 PM Post #12705 |
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Snok Snok Snerson
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Of all things, I crave popcorn. Preferably with a Dr. Pepper. Maybe today will be a movie day. Idk. |
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