The Hexagon Sun [Manu Interview]

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The Hexagon Sun [Manu Interview]; Community Thoughts
Topic Started: Jun 8 2013, 05:32 PM (18,877 Views)
UmbreonShadow	Jun 8 2013, 05:32 PM Post #1
Posts: 72 Group: Junior Members Member #302 Joined: May 12, 2013 Country Canada Sex Male Age 100	The Hexagon Sun was originally established from ZTV and Northern Skies back in the Spring of 2012 and then to Gaia in the Summer of 2012. The blog is made for the analysis and discussion on community matters. It's original intent was to critique and explain the events occurring in the community that may or is it causing parasitic strain in the community. It is also analyzed in the classic community sense. I will be posting some raw, classic works from the past and perhaps eventually I may start posting new content. The Forgotten Establishments Authors Note: This post was made during a time of distraught between two forums and when many designers began to walk away from Northern Skies among the download controversy. This is my opinion about the " download community " and older forums that stressed less of the entire " download " nature of the community. This blog post was made back in April of 2012 on Northern Skies and Zoo Tycoon Volcano In this day and age in the so called " community " ,many forums have been forgotten. Forums that modern community members don't even know about or would disregard as outdated. Even forums that poured the concrete for the foundation of the community and the designing breakthroughs. It is an unfortunate truth that goes by everyday. With today's forums, only a few stand alive, Northern Skies being the most active. But the question is, how did they get to that status? They could not have done it by themselves without the ideas and people branching off of several forums that were once popular themselves, including ones that bear on. What is saddening, is that these former forums are not talked about or even brought up to the table, as partners, friends or even a given a thank you! But instead people just migrate to what appeals to them the most, and that is what is of stressed high demand: Downloads. But was this community founded on the ideas of " Downloads " ?, clearly if it was we would be called the " Download Community " (which we could say that is the case today) rather then the " Zoo Tycoon Community ". And the truth is, it's not. But why? Forums in the past found it unappealing that the main focus of the community revolved around " Downloads " and the game itself because they knew it would become boring and repetitive after a while, so they experimented with other methods to socialize and expand cultural and educative awareness due to the high rate of international members joining into the community. But it wasn't because of the " Downloads ", it was because they wanted to have fun! I usually like to use Zoo Tek Phoenix as a prime example of originality of the community. Not only did they supplied downloads and great designing tutorials to help inspire curious newcomer designers but they also knew that in order to continue to be popular and diverse, they needed more diverse sections for everybody to enjoy. Zoo Tek Phoenix was one of the first forums to host a arcade for gaming, the first site to have a special forum where staff from other forums can come to discuss inter site issues and to have an Ambassador Program themselves and for staff to discuss forum news going on in the community. They also wanted to expand the knowledge of animals and there habits to a younger audience that may not even get to learn at a first hand by having there own zoologist Professor Paul and his Nature Encyclopedia!. They also encourage creativity and culture diversity by having special seasonal events based on different cultures, the list can go on on how superior there system of fun is compared to ours. But sadly, they are not the most popular forum (activity wise), but they are a pure legend and a prime example of a real element of the community, along with many of the forums you see listed on the top of each page you go to on ZTV that have given there time and effort to make this community what it was.* Unfortunately that spirit is diminishing with the inflation of downloads and lack of community spirit coming from some forums. We should reflect on these legends. * ZTV back in 2011 to 2012 had established many affiliations in attempt to unite the community. Edited by UmbreonShadow, Aug 27 2013, 03:39 PM.

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Plus	Jul 20 2013, 04:35 PM Post #46
Posts: 5 Group: Novices Member #640 Joined: Jul 20, 2013	Iben Jul 20 2013, 04:32 PM Yet, I was there. I and others cleaned up a lot of the mess. Me and other had to prevent young people from seeing horrible images of sliced up babies, genetalia, etc. I remember having a shockspam filter list of about 100 links on Environ, all to prevent young children of merely 13-14 year from seeing stuff like I mentioned. I also had to clean up the shock spam. I always told my guys not to do that. Some members of my old crew began shockspamming after I had left. Also I believe FP was not involved in any of that. It was mostly VG to my knowledge. Edited by Plus, Jul 20 2013, 04:36 PM.
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Murdock129	Jul 20 2013, 04:44 PM Post #47
Posts: 2,756 Group: Experienced Members Member #224 Joined: Apr 18, 2013 Sex Male Real Name James Cooke Age 24	As another person who was front and center for the shock spamming, I do think that no one would really and honestly defend the 'ch0des' actions when it came to Environ, you can talk about the ZTV internal wars and come to whatever conclusion you like, same with the disagreements between Ev and ZTV. But shock spamming took things to a different level on Environ. And was generally done by a small group of members, many of whom aren't around anymore, the same people who would harass me and especially Komo on the C-Box with racial slurs and death threats. No one agrees that was acceptable at this point, and it'd be better to try and leave that more in the past, the scumbags who did it are gone, the reason it was done was for 'lulz' and because of moronic misplaced hatred and no one in their right mind condones such actions. That was not just some of the worst the community has to offer, the ones who did that, shock spamming a kids site, are among the worst the internet age has to offer, the scumbags who go on 4Chan to laugh about people being murdered and abused and the like. So as much as I detest shock spam, am still disgusted by what I and the other staff had to see, and am disgusted by the people who did the shock spam itself, I would like to leave the shock spam issue itself to rest, no one left in the community supports it, it's over and done with, may it never return --- On another subject, Plus, may I ask which username you had at the time, as, forgive me if I'm being stupid, I currently don't recognize exactly who you are. Edited by Murdock129, Jul 20 2013, 04:46 PM.



Azrael	Jul 20 2013, 04:45 PM Post #48
Posts: 7,533 Group: Reindeer Trainers Member #148 Joined: Mar 16, 2013 Country United States Sex Female Real Name Kayla	Everything seems civil for the moment and please, let us keep it that way. I don't want any arguments, this is all based on things that happened three or four years ago.



Plus	Jul 20 2013, 04:49 PM Post #49
Posts: 5 Group: Novices Member #640 Joined: Jul 20, 2013	Murdock129 Jul 20 2013, 04:44 PM On another subject, Plus, may I ask which username you had at the time, as, forgive me if I'm being stupid, I currently don't recognize exactly who you are. I agree about the shock spamming. I was always an agent against it. It is too bad that when I dropped the leash those things began propagating. Racial slurs and death threats are not to be taken lightly, I am sorry you had to deal with that. I just wanted to make sure no one got the wrong idea about my little buddy fp. As for who I am, I would not worry about that. I'm just a ghost from the past.
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Deleted User	Jul 20 2013, 05:00 PM Post #50
Deleted User	Iben Jul 20 2013, 04:32 PM Plus Jul 20 2013, 04:20 PM They were not games; they were reform to change the community for the better. You were not around during that time, you do not know what it was like. Yet, I was there. I and others cleaned up a lot of the mess. Me and other had to prevent young people from seeing horrible images of sliced up babies, genetalia, etc. I remember having a shockspam filter list of about 100 links on Environ, all to prevent young children of merely 13-14 year from seeing stuff like I mentioned. Even though it might have been "to change the community for the better", the way it was done was absolute nonsense and ridiculous and solved nothing. You summed it up better than I could, Iben. The romanticising of events that were destructive and mean-spirited ex post facto is misleading and dishonest. If the point I was trying to make got lost in my "attitude," you focused in on what was so irritating to me with laser-like precision. Thanks
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davidy12	Jul 20 2013, 05:06 PM Post #51
Posts: 1,752 Group: Trainees Member #97 Joined: Mar 7, 2013 Country United States Sex Male Real Name David Age 17	Alright, alright. That's enough all of you. This is where people hold interviews not a place where we can argue. So let's get back on topic as Azrael said. Or must I inform a moderator about this? Edit: Oh wait I did report some of you guys. Edited by davidy12, Jul 20 2013, 05:14 PM.



~~Biz~~	Jul 20 2013, 05:08 PM Post #52
Posts: 26 Group: Banned Member #620 Joined: Jul 17, 2013 Real Name Biz	You know, there is no place on the Internet safe from this kind of thing right? I've been to forums about freakin' Donkey Kong and one about a washed up Nu-Metal band from the 90s and nothing changed. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you put a bunch of teenagers with issues IRL in an online community. Edited by Biz, Jul 21 2013, 01:16 AM.



Grumkrieg	Jul 20 2013, 05:15 PM Post #53
Posts: 38 Group: Novices Member #308 Joined: May 13, 2013 Sex Male Real Name Patrick Age 15	It seems as if we are all worked up over an incident that happened many years ago on a collection of online forums located on the subject matter of a simulation where you create zoo's and cater to the animals and the guests needs. But how has this all gotten us into an argument about how different war strategies were tested on different forums based on said zoo simulation games lead by a teenage, short, Hispanic descendant to represent how wars would work in real life in the Middle-Eastern territories of our planet Earth? We must not look into our history, but rather be hopeful that our future will work out even better than what has happened before. Rather than looking into our history and arguing about why we did it, we must rather learn from our mistakes in the past and choose not to make them again!



davidy12	Jul 20 2013, 05:15 PM Post #54
Posts: 1,752 Group: Trainees Member #97 Joined: Mar 7, 2013 Country United States Sex Male Real Name David Age 17	Biz You know, there is no place on the Internet safe from this kind of thing right? I've been to forums about freakin' Donkey Kong forum and one about a washed up Nu-Metal band from the 90s and nothing changed. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you put a bunch of teenagers with issues IRL in an online community. Yes but at least I'm following the rules Biz and I know you said we have IRL issues but currently I'm following the rules and suggest you do the same. So let's stop arguing stop, post farming, and get back on topic All of you!!! I want all of this to end now this is something that happened years ago and it's over so drop it. I want all of us to enjoy these interviews and get along well in this forum. and as of right now I have reported Everyone who's been posting about this and I can do this all day. I'm looking forward to the next interview Umbreonshadow. Nevermind. Edited by davidy12, Jul 20 2013, 05:32 PM.



~~Biz~~	Jul 20 2013, 05:31 PM Post #55
Posts: 26 Group: Banned Member #620 Joined: Jul 17, 2013 Real Name Biz	davidy12 Jul 20 2013, 05:15 PM Biz You know, there is no place on the Internet safe from this kind of thing right? I've been to forums about freakin' Donkey Kong forum and one about a washed up Nu-Metal band from the 90s and nothing changed. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you put a bunch of teenagers with issues IRL in an online community. Yes but at least I'm following the rules Biz. So let's stop arguing stop, post farming, and get back on topic All of you!!! I want all of this to end now this is something that happened years ago and it's over so drop it. I want all of us to enjoy these interviews and get along well in this forum. Dude what? Do you even know what post farming is? Do you know backseat modding is against the rules? Nobody here is calling each other names, this is an extremely civil argument. Do you expect people to agree with everything? As far as I know, we are discussing an issue brought up in the interview, this is the kind of discussion Silent Umberon would want from his blog (As long as it's civil mind you, mods have every right to end it if it were to get out of hand.



davidy12	Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM Post #56
Posts: 1,752 Group: Trainees Member #97 Joined: Mar 7, 2013 Country United States Sex Male Real Name David Age 17	Alright. I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to, it's just that I got confused with this and I'll shut up now. I really don't want to get banned from TRT. Edited by davidy12, Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM.



Azrael	Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM Post #57
Posts: 7,533 Group: Reindeer Trainers Member #148 Joined: Mar 16, 2013 Country United States Sex Female Real Name Kayla	Backseat modding isn't actually against the rules here on TRT. UmbreonShadow, I'll let you decide on whether or not you want the discussion to continue or not. Are your interviews ok to be spoken about as long as things are civil (rightfully) or would you rather your topic just be a place of information about past events and people in the community?



~~Biz~~	Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM Post #58
Posts: 26 Group: Banned Member #620 Joined: Jul 17, 2013 Real Name Biz	davidy12 Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM Alright. I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to, it's just that I got confused with this and I'll shut up now. Its ok man we all make mistakes



UmbreonShadow	Jul 20 2013, 05:40 PM Post #59
Posts: 72 Group: Junior Members Member #302 Joined: May 12, 2013 Country Canada Sex Male Age 100	Azrael Jul 20 2013, 05:34 PM UmbreonShadow, I'll let you decide on whether or not you want the discussion to continue or not. Are your interviews ok to be spoken about as long as things are civil (rightfully) or would you rather your topic just be a place of information about past events and people in the community? I want this blog to be open for interviews and historical/theoretical articles. With the ability to discuss civilly without having to resort to ad hominem attacks. This is about history and the voices of the community (As well as promoting and other various activities I have planned). Not everyone is going to have the same exact opinion and that's the point of journalism. I think most of us are mature enough to not let past opinions get to us. Edited by UmbreonShadow, Jul 20 2013, 05:41 PM.



Verdant Gregor	Jul 20 2013, 05:57 PM Post #60
Posts: 315 Group: Novices Member #560 Joined: Jul 5, 2013	"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Regardless of how different opinions may be, it is still important to look upon the history of the community, so that such instances may be prevented in the future. I've done things I am not proud of, as have we all in some way or another. Analyzing these events is what is important, so such "wars" will not happen again. Edited by Verdant Gregor, Jul 20 2013, 05:58 PM.



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