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| Topic Started: Jul 9 2013, 03:19 PM (465,194 Views) | |
| Jules | Nov 21 2013, 12:49 PM Post #1726 |
Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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Because given its metabolism would be the same as in modern day birds, and that modern day birds need to eat plants to be green, it logically wouldn't be able to be green. |
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| CyborgIguana | Nov 21 2013, 12:54 PM Post #1727 |
 
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Fair enough, but still...it's the WWD raptor so it has to be green. |
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| Similis | Nov 21 2013, 01:00 PM Post #1728 |
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And bald?  Trying out various hues of yellowish and gold tones could work aswell. |
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| Jannick | Nov 21 2013, 01:38 PM Post #1729 |
Papua merdeka!
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Meet the Grey-headed Bushshrike. As anyone who knows anything about shrikes will know, it's a voracious little carnivore. Also, it's green. The Red-tailed Bristle-bill. A carnivorous ground-dwelling bird. Also green.  The Green Woodpecker. Speaks for itself.  Green doesn't seem out of the question for carnivores to me. (My apologies for the rather... obscure examples. I just grabbed the closest bird guide and went with the first green birds I saw )
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| HENDRIX | Nov 21 2013, 01:46 PM Post #1730 |
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Can't believe I didn't think of the woodpecker XD So, it's confirmed then.
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Nov 21 2013, 01:48 PM Post #1731 |
 
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Excellent job on he raptor, DM. Although, there's something about the eye that's bothering me. |
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| Similis | Nov 21 2013, 01:55 PM Post #1732 |
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Now it kind of makes me wonder - all of those animals are in fact insectivorous or omnivorous, none of them is really a large (for a bird) predator, are there any green Accipitriformes? |
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| Iben | Nov 21 2013, 01:58 PM Post #1733 |
There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!
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Actually, that isn't really true All birds you mentioned are insectivores ( except for shrikes, but those are both insectivores and carnivores ) and not a carnivore in the way an eagle or a velociraptor is. In order to produce the green pigment, birds needs lots of copper. Vertebrae use hemoglobin, which have iron atoms, invertebrae use hemocyanin which has copper atoms instead of iron atoms  Aka, insectivores get their copper from the insects ( though not all insects, but most larvae have proteins made from hemocyanin ) they eat, and that allows them to produce the greenish feathers.But anyway, it's pointless to discuss this as DM made it to resemble the WWD one, which was green
Edited by Iben, Nov 21 2013, 02:02 PM.
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| HENDRIX | Nov 21 2013, 02:01 PM Post #1734 |
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*t What does this have to do with the blood?  Just because they use it for one oxygen-binding molecule doesn't mean they use copper for all pigments Meh, but enough of that. It's green cuz it's green in WWD and it's not too far fetched to be plausible, so it's all right
Edited by HENDRIX, Nov 21 2013, 02:02 PM.
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Nov 21 2013, 02:03 PM Post #1735 |
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Yeah, I don't really have a say in this, because I just woke up, but I think this discussion is kinda silly. UT2's downloads have the theropods in the completely wrong upwards head position, but they're still considered to be extremely valuable downloads and UT2 is praised for them. So why can't a completely accurate velociraptor made by the master of designing himself have a little speculative green coloring? EDIT BECAUSE POSTING THREE TIMES IN ONE TOPIC IS RUDE: @Jannick: The general consensus is that pack hunting is possible, but doesn't have a lot of evidence behind it and isn't as likely as people once thought. Edited by Dr. Hax, Nov 21 2013, 02:10 PM.
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| Jannick | Nov 21 2013, 02:04 PM Post #1736 |
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Papua merdeka!
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Hmm, you may have a point there. There are indeed no traditional 'birds of prey' with green coloration. But then again, since pack hunting is apparently out of the question (or is it in again? I can't keep up) wouldn't it be likely that Velociraptor was at least partially insectivorous?
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| Iben | Nov 21 2013, 02:06 PM Post #1737 |
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!
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Nono Larvae proteins are "made from" the same hemocyanin, which leads to the fact that they're quite copper rich, which allows birds to have greenish feathers I forgot to add that, I just did Anyway, you're completely right, it's pointless to discuss it anyway
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| Similis | Nov 21 2013, 02:08 PM Post #1738 |
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Why should we value particular design by who made it, not how it's made? I'm really indifferent how DM explains his raptor's colouration, I'll just appreciate if it's reasoned well, not randomly decided to be made without a touch with the accuracy. partially insectivorous raptors could explain the green, provided they'd find enough insects for that purpose.
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Nov 21 2013, 02:11 PM Post #1739 |
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I edited the post a bit to make it a bit clearer what I was trying to say. |
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| Swimming Spaghetti Monster | Nov 21 2013, 02:24 PM Post #1740 |
 
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I don't really know these subjects well, but is it possible for carnivores to obtain copper from insectivores, which obtain it from insects? |
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