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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,365 Views)
stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

one fraud (and a dubious fraud at that) does not void an entire scientific field
everything has frauds if you look for them hard enough
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CyborgIguana
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I'll admit that while the majority of all this is utter hogwash, there are a few details that trouble me slightly, such as the aforementioned issue of fossils from different time periods being found in the same rock layers, and another source credited by the same guy mentions human artifacts such as cups and spoons being found inside 300-million-year-old coal deposits. Obviously I'm skeptical as to the verifiability of either of these claims, but what are your thoughts?

Note that I'm referring to the blog that was the third link Nomis initially gave, not to the series of videos that are equally ridiculous.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I done screwed up big time -.-
now I'm getting spammed by 6 day-ers who don't even think dinosaurs are real
and they are calling me a communist, and yelling at me that the current refugee crisis in Mexico/southern USA is somehow my fault because I didn't help them "turn those communists into moral believers"

one guy is even saying that he is more moral than me because he is religious, and he admits that he is unsympathetic to the hundreds if not thousands of refugees trying to escape into the USA from Mexico right now, saying that because they are communist they are immoral and should stay out

neither Mexico nor Canada is communist, I have a feeling this guy is drunk
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BossAggron
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stargatedalek
Jul 7 2014, 10:24 PM
I done screwed up big time -.-
now I'm getting spammed by 6 day-ers who don't even think dinosaurs are real
and they are calling me a communist, and yelling at me that the current refugee crisis in Mexico/southern USA is somehow my fault because I didn't help them "turn those communists into moral believers"

one guy is even saying that he is more moral than me because he is religious, and he admits that he is unsympathetic to the hundreds if not thousands of refugees trying to escape into the USA from Mexico right now, saying that because they are communist they are immoral and should stay out

neither Mexico nor Canada is communist, I have a feeling this guy is drunk
Eh, i would rather say "ok, ya, i'll let you believe whatever you want to, not like you're gonna do the same for everyone else"

Anyways, no one has commented back to me yet.
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CyborgIguana
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Turning away from how ridiculous the whole "dinosaurs never existed" discussion is:

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I'll admit it looks somewhat cool, but come on!
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Dr. Hax
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Wat da fak is that.
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CyborgIguana
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An Allosaurus, maybe? Just my best guess. xD
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BossAggron
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Allosuchus? i mean look at the Croc scutes on its back, but it does look alright for what it is.
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Swimming Spaghetti Monster
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CyborgIguana
Jul 7 2014, 07:56 PM
I'll admit that while the majority of all this is utter hogwash, there are a few details that trouble me slightly, such as the aforementioned issue of fossils from different time periods being found in the same rock layers, and another source credited by the same guy mentions human artifacts such as cups and spoons being found inside 300-million-year-old coal deposits. Obviously I'm skeptical as to the verifiability of either of these claims, but what are your thoughts?

Note that I'm referring to the blog that was the third link Nomis initially gave, not to the series of videos that are equally ridiculous.
Finds in style of Carboniferous necklaces or Precambrian teapots are called "Out-of-place-artifacts". Each case is different, and while they might look weird, they are most often frauds, wrong interpretations, and as for "alien" looking artifacts, they're most often natural geological formations - take a look at Giant's Causeway of oxide-covered bismuth (they are the colourful type seen on Google Graphics, when you type "bismuth crystals"), if you want to see, what can Earth produce. Most often, you will find an artifact alojg with an explanation of its origin on a site like talk.origins, Skeptoid, Rational Wiki or badarchaeology.com. If you find a less known one - I'm pretty sure you will find explanation on the net. If you still can't find any satisfying one, trace the source - very commonly it turns out to be an article in tabloid. Sometimes a source even doesn't exist. Be aware of "anomymous" scientists quoted, or the ones, who seem to not exist outside the article. No note on any university. No article published. Nothing, except being an author of excited quote about finding 100 milion years old human tomb. In such a case, you don't even need to look for explanation - it's certainly fake.
Edited by Swimming Spaghetti Monster, Jul 8 2014, 12:47 AM.
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CyborgIguana
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Well that's a relief. I assume the issue of animals from different time periods being preserved in the same rock strata (apparently there exists some place in Alberta where Devonian-age strata cuts abruptly to lower Cretaceous, again this could be an unreliable claim) have a similar logical explanation.
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CyborgIguana
Jul 8 2014, 12:49 AM
Well that's a relief. I assume the issue of animals from different time periods being preserved in the same rock strata (apparently there exists some place in Alberta where Devonian-age strata cuts abruptly to lower Cretaceous, again this could be an unreliable claim) have a similar logical explanation.
I have found a bit of info about them. Such distortions are called unconformities, and occur in places, where the sedimentation wasn't continuous - after all, places erode. We couldn't get many open-air fossil-bearing rocks, if the erosion didn't happen. You can sometimes even find fossils from different times at one place: this is for example what happened at Cuddie Springs. Different remains there have different levels of mineralisation, and it shows. I'm pretty sure that future palaeontologists will, after some time, resolve problems coming from uncovering a Smithsonian Museum from Holocene strata.
Edited by Swimming Spaghetti Monster, Jul 8 2014, 01:16 AM.
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CyborgIguana
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Well, that makes sense. Thanks. The guy's blog also mentions that coal, which is believed to be formed from ancient forests, has somehow been found on meteorites. Not sure if that has to do with paleontology, but it makes my brain hurt regardless. There is, of course, the distinct possibility that he was lying once again to make his own highly questionable claims seem more credible. :P
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He might be talking about this.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1996-07/PS-PSRP-300796.php

I guess that he can't understand difference between coal and carbon, though.
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CyborgIguana
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Ah, thus proving once again that I am an overly gullible and trusting individual. This could even be good news, in that it could potentially support the notion of life on other planets.

The only problem left is the fact that he cites a book/article claiming errors in radiometric dating. I was aware that there were occasional minor errors in the field, but I was unaware of any serious errors. :P
Edited by CyborgIguana, Jul 8 2014, 01:24 AM.
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stargatedalek
Jul 7 2014, 10:24 PM
I done screwed up big time -.-
now I'm getting spammed by 6 day-ers who don't even think dinosaurs are real
and they are calling me a communist, and yelling at me that the current refugee crisis in Mexico/southern USA is somehow my fault because I didn't help them "turn those communists into moral believers"

one guy is even saying that he is more moral than me because he is religious, and he admits that he is unsympathetic to the hundreds if not thousands of refugees trying to escape into the USA from Mexico right now, saying that because they are communist they are immoral and should stay out

neither Mexico nor Canada is communist, I have a feeling this guy is drunk
One what video did you comment because I'll backlash at them!
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