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| What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,356 Views) | |
| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 05:38 AM Post #2161 |
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I wouldn't say the difference between a Kardashian and a Sea Porcupine is in any way comparable to Styracosaurus and Triceratops, since the latter two have very similar bodyplans (especially the way they're portrayed in media) and thus the differences are harder to spot. You can't name the Kardashians? Wow, you know nothing about them. That really annoys me, everyone should know at least 4 of them!! Lack of knowledge!! Some people are interested in the Kardashians (I don't know why) and they could just as easily use your logic to justify their anger at your 'lack of knowledge' |
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| trisdino | Jul 13 2014, 05:42 AM Post #2162 |
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Again, the diference between a styracosaurus and a triceratops is really pretty damn big. I do not expect people to be experts, but when you keep confusing an animal whoms name means "three horn", with one that only has one, that just seems silly to me. The body plan is similar, yes, but not THAT similar, there are some major differences in size, proportions, the neck frill, and obviously the horns. I would not mind that they do not know what a styracosaurus is, that is to be expected, I just do not want them to keep confusing it for another species. Only knowing what a triceratops is is fine, but that also implies knowing what it is not. If I know one of the Kardashians, I know who that person is NOT. |
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| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 05:50 AM Post #2163 |
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Styracosaurus has at least 11 horns The eight large frill horns, two cheek horns and the large nasal horn. Whether you count the smaller horns on the sides of its frill is up to youThe way they are often depicted in media (which is probably the only place these people ever see it) is basically a Triceratops with different horn ornamentation, and to someone with no palaeontological background that can be very confusing. I doubt these people would notice the differences in size, proportion (if they have no interest in palaeontology how would they even know?) and frill shape anyway. |
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| trisdino | Jul 13 2014, 05:53 AM Post #2164 |
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I understand why media portraying them as almost identical would confuse people, but in that case, it is the media I have a gripe with. And yes, individual differences such as proportions and size would not be very noticeable, but when combined with the horns and frill, it would add up. Again, I do not expect them to know what a styracosaurus is, but I do expect, or at least wish for, them to know what it is not. |
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| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 05:58 AM Post #2165 |
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I doubt anyone thinks they're exactly the same, since it's fairly obvious from the horns that they are different. So let me see if I understand your argument, you hate it when people distinguish can between Styracosaurus and Triceratops, but call Styracosaurus Triceratops anyway? |
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| trisdino | Jul 13 2014, 06:00 AM Post #2166 |
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No, in that case, it is okay. If you do not know what something is, calling it triceratops-like is obviously fine. I just hate it when people genuinely think they are the same animal, or think that triceratops is the actual name for all creatures that look like that. If you know what it is, but just not its name, that is fine. |
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| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 06:03 AM Post #2167 |
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Then this whole discussion was pointless, since I was defending those whose situation you've suddenly okayed
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| trisdino | Jul 13 2014, 06:48 AM Post #2168 |
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Okayed? I have not changed my opinion at all, though maybe you misunderstood me. I never had a problem with those who call it a triceratops simply because they do not know the name, and then look it up, it is the ones who genuinely think that is accurate that frustrate me. |
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| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 07:05 AM Post #2169 |
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Well when I mentioned it before you simply ignored it, which implied you thought it was wrong (at least to me) if you thought that before, maybe you should have said something ![]() Then this whole discussion could have been avoided |
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| stargatedalek | Jul 13 2014, 08:37 AM Post #2170 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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if you are playing a video game about dinosaurs than you should at least have some general knowledge about them, enough to at least recognize pop culture icons like styracosaurus |
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| Okeanos | Jul 13 2014, 08:50 AM Post #2171 |
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Who said it was playing a videogame about dinosaurs? |
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| stargatedalek | Jul 13 2014, 09:14 AM Post #2172 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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| CyborgIguana | Jul 13 2014, 09:16 AM Post #2173 |
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I could forgive a layman mistaking one of the other three-horned ceratopsians like Torosaurus or Pentaceratops for Triceratops. I agree that Styracosaurus should be easier to tell apart from Triceratops, but I certainly won't go on an angry rant if someone calls it as such. |
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| trisdino | Jul 13 2014, 09:19 AM Post #2174 |
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If you want evidence of this, just go play dino d-day. Every single time the styracosaurus is out, people call it a triceratops, even though the big mission objective in the corner of the screen SAYS that it is a styracosaurus, nobody ever reads it. It is like that time in the pet store I work in once every week where two people were standing in front of cage, discussing what was inside it. Eventually they concluded that they did not know, and went up to ask somebody at the counter... even though the cage was clearly labelled as guinea pig(or in this case, Marsvin, since this is Denmark). Again, I fully accept people using one thing to describe something similar, that is logical, if you see a big animal that you do not know what is, you compare it to something you do know what is. The problem comes when people just assume they know what it is, because it shares a few traits. Not to mention, in this age of the internet, googling "one horned dinosaur" will get you results for styracosaurus, that is all it takes. Also, I obviously would not rant at somebody for making that mistake. In a game, if somebody says it, I just correct them. The rant only comes when they ask "what is the difference?", though even then, I typically just say "count the horns". The styracosaurus-triceratops case is one of the more forgiveable, though still annoying, misunderstandings. It gets worse when people see pictures of, say, a proceratosaurus, and call it a velociraptor, but then when confronted with pictures of an actual velociraptor, cannot recognize it. Edited by trisdino, Jul 13 2014, 09:21 AM.
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| CyborgIguana | Jul 13 2014, 09:23 AM Post #2175 |
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This may be off-topic, but Styracosaurus has a lot more than one horn. Otherwise, I think I now get what you're saying. That does sound like it could get annoying, anyone who cares enough to play a dinosaur-related video game should know the names of more than six dinosaurs IMO. Edited by CyborgIguana, Jul 13 2014, 09:24 AM.
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The eight large frill horns, two cheek horns and the large nasal horn. Whether you count the smaller horns on the sides of its frill is up to you
if you thought that before, maybe you should have said something 


