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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,344 Views)
BossAggron
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It kinda Annoys me on the fact that Some people still don't Understand the Trike to Toro situation, like how Triceratops takes priority, or how its still not confirmed.
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Dr. Hax
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trisdino
Jul 24 2014, 09:48 AM
In that case, it makes some semblance of self, though this whole megalodon is a great segway:

I hate fanboys who keep overestimating their favourite animals. They constantly ignore all fossil evidence, all reasoning, and all judgement, simply to essentially say "mine is bigger", as if having your favourite extinct animal be "better" than everybody elses favourite extinct animal somehow makes you better than them. This is, of course, the most present with tyrannosaurus rex, though in an odd twist of events, the incredibly popular "version" of T.rex has become so detached from the actual animal, that many people do not like the actual creature, to the point of downright hating it, because they feel it tarnishes the awesomebro reputation of their favorite dragon. Another great example of this is the case of poor spinosaurus, who had the misfortune of being portrayed as killing a tyrannosaurus. On one hand, this catapulted it into its, in my opinion, rightful fame, making most people realize that there IS such a thing as a predator larger than T.rex. On the other hand, it made it the biggest hate target in the world, leading to the amusing situation of people going on personal vendettas trying to insult and mock an animal that has been dead for over a hundred million years.


So yeah, fanboys, screw 'em.

And not to mention a real fight between a T. rex and a Spinosaurus would have been a complete Curb Stomp Battle. And I'm not saying that because I hate Spinosaurus; I love Spinosaurus, but it really wouldn't stand a chance against T. rex. I mean, really, let's break this down.
Spinosaurus was a carnivore whose diet was primarily suited to fish and small dinosaurs, thusly it's teeth were evolved for catching fish. It's neck was weak and flexible so that it could snap it's head around quickly while fishing. It's claws were used for catching fish and slicing up small prey. It's jaws were only strong enough to hold a small dinosaur, as it's jaws were not made for large prey.

Tyrannosaurus, meanwhile, had one of the strongest jaw strengths of any animal, and possibly the strongest jaw strength of any land animal. It's teeth were banana shaped, used for slicing and carving into the flesh of large prey. It's arms, while small, could curl nearly 430 pounds, and could rip a human's arms right out of their sockets. It's neck was much more bulky and less flexible, but had a higher tolerance for pain.

All a T. rex would have to do to win would be to pin down the Spinosaurus and bite down hard on it's neck.
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Nomis
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I honestly doubt rex and spino would fight if they ever coexisted. Large predators tend to avoid each other, the risk of injury wouldn't be worth it for food.
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Furka
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Except that Spino was a lot larger, and it could simply sit on rexy until it surrenders.
Also, a gull's beak is made mainly for catching fish, yet look at how they tear away chunks of flesh from pigeons and baby penguins which they killed (and it doesn't have teeth).

Not to sound like a Spino fanboy, but Rex is always the one who gets all the pros in these confrontations.
Edited by Furka, Jul 24 2014, 05:08 PM.
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Nomis
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Furka
Jul 24 2014, 05:08 PM

Not to sound like a Spino fanboy, but Rex is always the one who gets all the pros in these confrontations.
Quoted for truth
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

I admit the choreography of the JP3 fight was bull xD
but in real life I'd put my money on spinosaurus, its just a much larger animal, plus it has functional forelimbs

rex arms strength doesn't mean crap if they cant even reach anything, so what if they could lift 430 pounds (skeptical), lift strength means nothing when they are essentially just tiny sticks compared to spinosaurus trident claws, what matters with claws in a fight is slashing, not lifting

please explain how the bloody hell you know tyrannosaurus had a higher tolerance of pain >:(
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Dr. Hax
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Jul 24 2014, 05:07 PM
I honestly doubt rex and spino would fight if they ever coexisted. Large predators tend to avoid each other, the risk of injury wouldn't be worth it for food.
That is true. However, this is theoretically speaking, not literally, because if we were talking literally, the two would most likely avoid each other.
@Stargate
Just because it's larger does not mean it's stronger.
@Furka: Well yes, it could sit on T. rex, but it would have to knock the T. rex down first, which would probably be difficult.
In conclusion, a fight between a T. rex and a Spinosaurus would have been more of a fair fight than I imagined. However, my bets would still be on T. rex. T. rex is a smarter, stronger, and overall a more adept animal for taking down large prey. Spinosaurus could stand a fighting chance, but I'd still say the odds are more weighted in T. rex's favor.
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DinoBear
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When you weigh nearly 4 more tons than your opponent and you two have somewhat similar builds, you will probably be stronger. At size parity, Spinosaurus would probably lose to T.rex more often than not, but with the size difference I just can't see 'ol rexy overpowering the spino more often than the reverse. Also, IIC, Spinosaurus' bite may have been nearly as powerful as that of Giganotosaurus and its kin. That said, this is Tyrannosaurus we're talking about here. No theropod discovered so far can compete with T.rex in the bite department.

EDIT:
Wait, are we having a civil Rex vs. Spino discussion? Am I dreaming?
Edited by DinoBear, Jul 24 2014, 06:44 PM.
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trisdino
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Yes, you are.
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Dr. Hax
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*Pinches Dinobear*
No, but seriously, I guess it's a bit more fair than it's generally thought.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

there is no evidence for tyrannosaurus being smarter, thats entirely just wishful thinking on your part
tyrannosaurus had a stronger bite, that doesn't make it "stronger" in general

I'm not saying its a guaranteed or easy win for spino, but I think its more likely
Edited by stargatedalek, Jul 24 2014, 06:53 PM.
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trisdino
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It is complicated, yes, jaws, teeth, claws, size, it is all wibbly wobbely, and a bit timey wimey
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stargatedalek
Jul 24 2014, 06:52 PM
there is no evidence for tyrannosaurus being smarter, thats entirely just wishful thinking on your part
tyrannosaurus had a stronger bite, that doesn't make it "stronger" in general

I'm not saying its a guaranteed or easy win for spino, but I think its more likely
T. rex was a coelaurasaur, (Or however the f*ck you spell that) which are generally known to be smarter than other theropods, such as carnosaurs like Allosaurus, and Megalosaurs like Spinosaurus and Megalosaurus. So yes, T. rex was, in all likelyhood, smarter than Spinosaurus.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

its typical to assume groups like paravians were smarter than other theropods, but there is no evidence of tyrannosaurs being smarter than carnosaurs, not a shred
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DinoBear
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stargatedalek
Jul 24 2014, 07:58 PM
its typical to assume groups like paravians were smarter than other theropods, but there is no evidence of tyrannosaurs being smarter than carnosaurs, not a shred
IIRC, Tyrannosaurus has a braincase that's huge compared to other dinosaurs of its size.
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