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| What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,482 Views) | |
| Alterbean7 | Oct 13 2013, 02:11 PM Post #271 |
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I agree the dodo was portrayed very well in that episode, even though in the episode one was being controlled by a futuristic parasite and its eyes turning blue when it's being controlled. Also, the Anurognathus being depicted as a bloodthirsty swarming pterosaur really annoys me.
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| Furka | Oct 13 2013, 02:45 PM Post #272 |
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well, Jeholopterus was once thought to live like a vampire. that would have been awesome ... |
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Oct 13 2013, 02:46 PM Post #273 |
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you can not always win by winning.
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i hate it when people say dinosaurs are for babies and when they show iguanodon like this |
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| Jules | Oct 13 2013, 02:52 PM Post #274 |
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Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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That was David Peters. |
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Oct 13 2013, 03:03 PM Post #275 |
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you can not always win by winning.
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i would not like that btw. |
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| CyborgIguana | Oct 13 2013, 07:35 PM Post #276 |
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Dude, you do know that's from when dinosaurs were a fresh new discovery, and the scientists who discovered Iguanodon only had a few teeth and a spike to work with. That was the best they could come up with at the time, and virtually no one depicts them that way anymore so I don't see why you have to be "annoyed" at these very early attempts at reconstructing prehistoric animals. |
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Oct 14 2013, 03:03 PM Post #277 |
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My own conflict about what to think about feathers. On the one hand, I'm willing to accept and take into consideration the evidence there is for feathered tyrannosaurs. On the other hand, I have to admit that i kinda sorta prefer my Tyrannosauruses to be scaly, but I'm afraid if i state my preference, I'll be given a giant lecture about how I'm "Not considering evidence". The truth is, I do consider evidence, but like Komori Miharu, i like to think that it depended on the environment, ecology, climate, and overall habitat of the creature. Taking all that into consideration, i find there to be not much of a purpose for a T. rex to have feathers, let alone a full coat. So overall, I'm kinda split. If i state my liking for scaly T. rex, I'll get lectured, but if I just jump on the feather bandwagon i start to get uncomfortable. Basically, what I'm saying is: "OK, so i like scaly Tyrannosauruses, please don't bother me about it." |
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| Furka | Oct 14 2013, 03:05 PM Post #278 |
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There's not a reason to loose them too. |
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| Similis | Oct 14 2013, 03:24 PM Post #279 |
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Look at how many birds have lost their feather coat over the millions of years that they evolved until now. Look at how many mammals (bad example, but if you bring the climate and habitat so willingly) have lost their coats over the millions of years. Yep. Birds don't go scaly. Mammals don't go scaly either (well, scutey). Only examples are bald skin ostrich legs and rhinos' thick skin. Only reason a mammal goes bald is because it (or it's ancestors) lives in water and it can benefit from having no fur coat. Birds don't even lose feathers, and the ones in hot climates can keep quite shaggy coats. So, concluding: there's no logically valid reason to think T.rex would evolve scales in the place of feathers. If, at all, the feather coat could've been evolved one step further. Not two steps back. |
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Oct 14 2013, 03:53 PM Post #280 |
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You bothered me about it. Y'know, this is what annoys me, when i try my hardest to state my liking for something and asking that i don't get lectured and i get lectured anyway, and I'm not allowed to like something because it's illogical and the "logical" version is something that isn't my cup of tea just makes me wanna scream my head off. A feathered T. rex isn't the way i envision the animal (At the very most, i envision with few feathers). With all due consideration, i just want to like my scaly tyrannosauruses without being given a lecture about how I'm not thinking logically, and i don't want a different way of seeing the animal forced on me. So can i please just like my scaly or sparsely-feathered T. rexes and we can move on? Please? (if you want to discuss this any further, please PM me, because i don't want an argument clogging up the topic) |
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| Similis | Oct 14 2013, 04:03 PM Post #281 |
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I firmly believe that as long as you don't try to reason it as if you were presenting any sort of valid point towards the rex actually looking in life as you say you prefer it - I won't really be bothered to argue. I like the looks of Anguirus in the original Godzilla movies, but that doesn't mean Ankylosaurus (which it was based off) looked like that. |
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Oct 14 2013, 04:38 PM Post #282 |
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Alright, problem solved let's move on. Now, I'm going to have a rant about the WWD T. rex, so leave now if you like that restoration. First of all, not even getting into the fact that the condition of T. rex's environment in this episode is entirely speculative, the head is too big for its body, its tail isn't long enough to support it's weight, it looks anorexic, and it just looks so stupid. It always has that dopey expression on its face. Look at the DR T. rex (My personal favorite representation of the genus), it looks big, heavy sturdy, a head that's proportionate to it's body, a straight, curved, streamlined body shape, a tail that looks long enough to support its weight, and it actually looks pretty cool. Not to mention the WWD T. rex's legs are far too long for it's nearly-anorexic body. |
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| CyborgIguana | Oct 14 2013, 05:06 PM Post #283 |
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Yeah, WWD was an amazing documentary but it definitely could've done better on its theropods (to me they all seem to have a dopey expression on their faces, despite the fact that theropods in general were pretty cunning animals). |
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| TyrantTR | Oct 14 2013, 05:24 PM Post #284 |
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Given newer understanding of the evolution of feathers, it is starting to become apparent that it may be the case that nearly all theropods have a common feathered ancestor. And the scales we have found would then be unformed feathers. Be that the case, and yes the jury is still out but that is the direction we are heading in, then it is possible and even seen in the fossil record, that feathered animals can become scaled. With scaled of-course meaning that they are simply unformed feathers. Now does that mean T. rex was scaled? Absolutely not, but it means there still could be reason to scale it. I personally do not buy a scaly rex, given that it is from a long long lineage of pretty much exclusively feathered coelurosaurs, but I cannot deny the possibility, given the recent evidence, that it could have developed scales. However it is worth noting that given its phylogenetic background, the feathered option has become the least speculative. Oddly enough scales are no longer the conservative option, which is a shifting of the poles from how it was even a couple years ago. |
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| CyborgIguana | Oct 14 2013, 05:30 PM Post #285 |
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I guess that all theropods had feathers then, just that some of them had been modified into scales.
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