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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,295 Views)
Incinerox
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti

Austroraptor
Oct 16 2014, 01:58 PM
Rhodedicut
Oct 16 2014, 12:35 AM
I wasn't aware of that actually. Are there any artistic representations showing it like that, BF?
curiously, no there aren't even tough its known for quite a long time.

Now Gorsh, thing is, atleast there are accurate theropod reconstructions out there, i've yet to see ONE dimetrodon that wasn't a scaly/lizardy thing.
That's because unlike feathered theropods which seem to be on the news at least 3 times a month for more than a decade, Dimetrodon skin is relatively new and very underpublished find.
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Yi Qi
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Incinerox
Oct 16 2014, 08:13 PM
Austroraptor
Oct 16 2014, 01:58 PM
Rhodedicut
Oct 16 2014, 12:35 AM
I wasn't aware of that actually. Are there any artistic representations showing it like that, BF?
curiously, no there aren't even tough its known for quite a long time.

Now Gorsh, thing is, atleast there are accurate theropod reconstructions out there, i've yet to see ONE dimetrodon that wasn't a scaly/lizardy thing.
That's because unlike feathered theropods which seem to be on the news at least 3 times a month for more than a decade, Dimetrodon skin is relatively new and very underpublished find.
Unpublished it may be, but i'm pretty sure it has been around for atleast since 2006
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People who take speculation way too far in paleo-art to the point where their reconstructions are barely even recognizable as the species they're intended to represent, sometimes even creating things that contradict what we know from fossil evidence in the process.

While speculation is acceptable, even necessary, in most forms of paleo-art, a good restoration should still be consistent with what we know of these animals.

This may or may not be a response to the floofy Dimetrodons on the previous page.
Edited by CyborgIguana, Oct 17 2014, 06:43 PM.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

a few whisker like hairs seems plausible to me, but a thick coating of hair/fur is a big no-no :P
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CyborgIguana
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The fact that very few of the reconstructions shown in Wikipedia's paleontology articles aren't shrink-wrapped, over-conservative abominations.
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Yi Qi
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stargatedalek
Oct 17 2014, 07:43 PM
a few whisker like hairs seems plausible to me, but a thick coating of hair/fur is a big no-no :P
Fur likely hadn't evolved untill the near triassic, IIRC theres a paper on that.

plus all we have of dimetrodon show rhino like skin, so all sorts of fur on it are a big no no.
Edited by Yi Qi, Oct 17 2014, 09:39 PM.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

Rhinoceros have hair though, so I don't see why its a guarantee that dimetrodon was entirely lacking in any kind of integument
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Yi Qi
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stargatedalek
Oct 17 2014, 10:09 PM
Rhinoceros have hair though, so I don't see why its a guarantee that dimetrodon was entirely lacking in any kind of integument
Like i said, dimetrodon existed BEFORE the evolution of hair, which appeared somewhere near the triassic, Incinerox has showed me a paper once that explains it in detail, ill ask him for it tomorrow.

Rhinos only secondarily lost hair because, like elephants, some of their ancestors came from a semi aquatic lineage.
Edited by Yi Qi, Oct 17 2014, 10:22 PM.
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Austroraptor
Oct 17 2014, 09:38 PM
stargatedalek
Oct 17 2014, 07:43 PM
a few whisker like hairs seems plausible to me, but a thick coating of hair/fur is a big no-no :P
Fur likely hadn't evolved untill the near triassic, IIRC theres a paper on that.
So Gorgonopsids lacked fur too ?
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Furka
Oct 18 2014, 04:59 AM
Austroraptor
Oct 17 2014, 09:38 PM
stargatedalek
Oct 17 2014, 07:43 PM
a few whisker like hairs seems plausible to me, but a thick coating of hair/fur is a big no-no :P
Fur likely hadn't evolved untill the near triassic, IIRC theres a paper on that.
So Gorgonopsids lacked fur too ?
Probably yes, and so did anything before cynodonts, Dicynodonts.
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

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and I thought rex vs spino was sad...

(thats a hadrosaur btw)
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Similis
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^About tree fiddy.
Edited by Similis, Oct 18 2014, 01:36 PM.
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CyborgIguana
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Basically this was before anyone gave the slightest damn about scientific accuracy in paleo-art. :P
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stargatedalek
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

excusing the anatomical errors because of the times, placing brontornis in the mesozoic is still just so odd
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And really why would anyone want to pit it against a hadrosaur? :P
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