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| What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,268 Views) | |
| CyborgIguana | Dec 31 2014, 01:59 PM Post #3481 |
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People whose definition of "accurate" is taking an inaccurate retrosaur model and slapping a few feathers/quills onto it. |
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Dec 31 2014, 02:17 PM Post #3482 |
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Many dinosaurs have feathers. Also Archeopteryx is in the middle zone. One moment it's a bird and the other it's a dinosaur. |
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| Luca9108 | Dec 31 2014, 03:21 PM Post #3483 |
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Master of Dinosaurs
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That's what I mean. |
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| Jules | Dec 31 2014, 04:46 PM Post #3484 |
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Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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Martyniuk refers to all maniraptorans as birds ![]() There is no real border between the two. |
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| Incinerox | Dec 31 2014, 09:29 PM Post #3485 |
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti
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To be fair, how does one even define "bird" anymore? Bringing me to an annoying point: Cladistics, while really useful and makes sense overall, it's ruined my perception on life as we know it. "Fish", "reptiles", and as we established "birds", are not valid terms anymore. |
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| BossAggron | Dec 31 2014, 11:53 PM Post #3486 |
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Formerly Dilophoraptor
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I consider Birds to be when Aves/Avialae Splits from Maniraptora. |
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| CyborgIguana | Jan 1 2015, 02:28 AM Post #3487 |
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Thing is, we don't know exactly WHERE that split is AFAIK. |
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| BossAggron | Jan 1 2015, 02:41 AM Post #3488 |
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But It will still be Aves and I will consider anything within Aves, "Birds". Edited by BossAggron, Jan 1 2015, 02:42 AM.
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| Yutyrannus the second | Jan 1 2015, 05:22 AM Post #3489 |
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I´ll go with Martyniuks definition. From Oviraptorids till magpies everything bird.
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| Trichechus | Jan 1 2015, 01:17 PM Post #3490 |
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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For me, the term "bird" is just the members of the sub-clade Aves, but I prefer "avian" or "avialan" to discuss Aves or Avialae respectively, as taxonomically speaking "bird" has become quite the confusing term; is Anchiornis a bird? is Archaeopteryx a bird? As of right now, there really is no consensus on what the definition of "bird" is, and even if there was it would likely be largely ignored by the general public. And don't even get me started on "fish". Edited by Trichechus, Jan 1 2015, 01:19 PM.
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| BossAggron | Jan 1 2015, 07:09 PM Post #3491 |
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Formerly Dilophoraptor
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I think the Best way to Describe Fish is anything under Chordates as AronRa Suggested. |
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| CyborgIguana | Jan 1 2015, 08:08 PM Post #3492 |
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So we're fish? I was wondering what was up with that set of gills on my neck. Good to know it's nothing serious.
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| Jules | Jan 1 2015, 09:44 PM Post #3493 |
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Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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I'm just going to refer everything with a half-moon articulation in its wrist (AKA Maniraptoran) as a bird. Which makes Gigantoraptor the largest known bird. |
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| BossAggron | Jan 1 2015, 10:10 PM Post #3494 |
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Formerly Dilophoraptor
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You never grow out of your Ancestry.
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| Furka | Jan 2 2015, 05:02 AM Post #3495 |
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Wait, I am a fish ? *looks at bait* seems tasty ... But back on topic, I'm really annoyed that we know nothing about advanced ceratopsians reproduction (other than them laying eggs). *looks at bait once more* |
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