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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,267 Views)
Yutyrannus the second
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It annoys me that there are still people who doesn´t want to understand that birds are still dinosaurs.... :implode:
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babehunter1324
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Crooky
Jan 1 2015, 09:44 PM
I'm just going to refer everything with a half-moon articulation in its wrist (AKA Maniraptoran) as a bird.
Which makes Gigantoraptor the largest known bird.
Or Therizinosaurus, even.
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

Well, if I am not wrong, Therizinosaurs lack those half-moon structure thingie on their wrists...
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Trichechus
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Therizinosaurs are actually within Maniraptora, so by Crooky's definition Therizinosaurus would be the largest bird.
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Luca9108
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Master of Dinosaurs

Amphicoelias annoys me.
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Furka
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Why, did one step on your car or pooped in your garden ? :P
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Taurotragus
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I think he said that because it's supposed to be the biggest animal that ever lived but we can't find any bones from it. XD
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Incinerox
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti

Actually, related to Amphicoelias but more annoying.

Marsh and Cope's Bone Wars.

Their need to out-do each other had ruined dinosaur taxonomy for decades. Seriously, if they had teamed up, who knows what they could've accomplished.

BUT NO!

They worked against each other, and their rush to be "better" meant the both of them got sloppy, so we ended up with backwards facing elasmosaurs with really long "tails", drawn remains of bones that might not even exist at all and most importantly...

They gone ****ed up Apatosaurus for everyone.

GG you two.

GG.

RIP In Peace.
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Yi Qi
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To the fellas some posts up, the reason why we don't know the "point of split" between "birds/Aves" and maniraptora is because it does not exist

there is NO such thing as a split, they're the exact same group, and there is literally nothing that sets them apart, hence why martniyuk's insistence on using the term "bird" as a colloquial term for everything with vaned feather wings.

DG was right in his post to mention that "bird","fish","reptile" and "mammal" are outdated terms from an archaic classification system that don't fit well into the observed reality of the evolutionary history and genetics of living beings, hence why, more and more, people of the scientific community are starting not to use these terms seriously anymore.

ontopic:

Basal Euornithischian taxonomy is messed up, BIG TIME.... With very few papers agreeing on the correct placement of certain specimens (Eg: According to some papers, Muttaburasaurus is either more basal than thescelosaurs, the most derived "Rhabdodontid" (a group that is very likely paraphyletic and whose we are also very unsure about their placement, you find LOTS of those on ornithischians specially early forms, IIRC the only groups that we are certain about their placement are the crown iguanodontia) or something else entirely we have no idea of).
Edited by Yi Qi, Jan 3 2015, 01:06 AM.
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Similis
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Austroraptor
Jan 3 2015, 12:45 AM
DG was right in his post to mention that "bird","fish","reptile" and "mammal" are outdated terms from an archaic classification system that don't fit well into the observed reality of the evolutionary history and genetics of living beings, hence why, more and more, people of the scientific community are starting not to use these terms seriously anymore.


I'm so glad I'm not the only one ranting about the term "reptile" :L
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BossAggron
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Formerly Dilophoraptor

The Splits are more just for where i would put it for Laymen, I do know that such groups are outdated.
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Denomon3144
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The fact that my sister, who is majoring in zoology, can't let go of the term "bird;" no matter how I try to explain it to her.
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CyborgIguana
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I don't really see why you think she needs to let go of the term, just because birds are dinosaurs doesn't mean they aren't still birds as well. :P
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Denomon3144
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Pick a god and pray!

CyborgIguana
Jan 4 2015, 10:07 PM
I don't really see why you think she needs to let go of the term, just because birds are dinosaurs doesn't mean they aren't still birds as well. :P
I misworded my statement, what I mean is that she won't accept that the term bird isn't valid on a class level anymore and that bird = reptile; she is pretty much a BANDIT.
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CyborgIguana
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To change the topic: a recent hypothesis I just read about that proposes all Morrison diplodocids are just growth stages of Amphicoelias fragillimus.

Yeeeaahhhno.
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