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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,253 Views)
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The fact that Barney is inaccurate, extremely annoying, sings, hugs, and gives kisses annoys me.
he doesn't even eat the kids.

barney, you disgrace. y u no eat the kids?

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The Slandered reputation of spinosaurus is what bugs me the most. and we have nothing ti blame but JPIII. That movie had so many inaccuracies that its a joke. I think I speak for everyone when I say that Spinosaurus CAN'T defeat a t-rex. But I won't start a debate on that here.
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TyranntX
Jan 21 2015, 02:09 PM
That movie had so many inaccuracies that its a joke.
That annoys me.
It doesn´t even stops with JPIII.
Almost every non-avian movie is so inaccurate that I just.... :x
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The first JP movie was actually relatively accurate for its time, but I agree that JPIII was a disgrace.
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CyborgIguana
Jan 21 2015, 02:44 PM
The first JP movie was actually relatively accurate for its time, but I agree that JPIII was a disgrace.
I hate it so much I don't even consider it canon to the story. the first JP had some inaccuracies, but thats because we still didn't know much about the dinosaurs in that movie at the time. we now know that T-rex had superb senses of hearing, smell, and vision, Raptors had feathers, and dilophosaurus was HUGE.
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TyranntX
Jan 21 2015, 02:52 PM
CyborgIguana
Jan 21 2015, 02:44 PM
The first JP movie was actually relatively accurate for its time, but I agree that JPIII was a disgrace.
I hate it so much I don't even consider it canon to the story. the first JP had some inaccuracies, but thats because we still didn't know much about the dinosaurs in that movie at the time. we now know that T-rex had superb senses of hearing, smell, and vision, Raptors had feathers, and dilophosaurus was HUGE.
ACTUALLY....

Velociraptor:
Other hand shape
Other size
Other head shape
Feathers
"Wing" feathers extend till the second finger
Other feet
Other.... Everything

T.rex:
Other head shape
Feathers
Sees very good
Is able to smell were prey is
Other feet

Dilophosaurus:
Bigger
No frill
No poison
Feathers
Other feet

Triceratops:
No Spikes/quills
Other feet

Brachiosaurus:
Other feet

At least Parasaurolophus is somewhat accurate till today, I guess.
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Half of those were unknown at the time the first JP movie was made. No offense, but you had better not be saying you dislike JP. :P

Also, ATM there is no concrete evidence that Dilophosaurus or any other non-coelurosaurian theropods had feathers (I think most of them did, but its still debatable).
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!

a lot of the inaccuracies were actually present when it was made, the very existence of those 'raptors' was entirely speculative, the size and frill of dilophosaurus, arms of tyrannosaurus, the list goes on

obviously JP3 and TLW are worse offenders in this regard, but they had a canon to stick to so updating the dinosaurs wasn't really possible
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Well, they seemed to care little enough about the canon to redesign the raptors and Pteranodon for the third movie (as for the different subspecies explanation, that is just a popular fan theory that has no basis in the JP canon).

Yes, I know there were inaccuracies (exaggerations is probably a more fitting word in most cases), but all in all JP was a fairly decent film for the time it was made and certainly more accurate than most of the films that had been made up until that point.
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CyborgIguana
Jan 21 2015, 03:42 PM
Half of those were unknown at the time the first JP movie was made. No offense, but you had better not be saying you dislike JP. :P

Also, ATM there is no concrete evidence that Dilophosaurus or any other non-coelurosaurian theropods had feathers (I think most of them did, but its still debatable).
We found imprints of feathers on Ichnofossils from Dilophosaurus.
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I didn't actually know that. Source?

However, it's still unfair to use that as criticism against JP, since solid evidence of feathers on any dinosaur had yet to be discovered in 1993.
Edited by CyborgIguana, Jan 21 2015, 04:21 PM.
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Yutyrannus the second
Jan 21 2015, 04:12 PM
CyborgIguana
Jan 21 2015, 03:42 PM
Half of those were unknown at the time the first JP movie was made. No offense, but you had better not be saying you dislike JP. :P

Also, ATM there is no concrete evidence that Dilophosaurus or any other non-coelurosaurian theropods had feathers (I think most of them did, but its still debatable).
We found imprints of feathers on Ichnofossils from Dilophosaurus.
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/09/07/dyzio-feathered-dilophosaur/

Read this. It's not as simple as you'd like to think.

But to sum up the article, it's probably more likely a sedimentological artefact as a result of the animal shifting its weight. Which would make sense when you consider that feathers aren't even known from that area of theropods until the maniraptorans, let alone dilophosaurids.

Even the guy who came up with the hypothesis had his reservations about it.

What annoys me is that apparently paleontologogical accuracy has become an actual measurement of how good a movie is. "JP3 was rubbish because its dinosaurs weren't accurate for its time like the first movie". "Jurassic World's raptors are STILL bald?! Those BASTARDS!".

If we graded space operas the same way we rate dinosaur movies, Star Wars, Star Trek and our beloved Guardians of the Galaxy would be Category 6 abominations on the basis that we can hear starships move through space.

JP3 was rubbish because it had a contrived storyline with annoying characters and failed to address the themes shared by its predecessors, and threw in a theropod deathduel which never should have happened, so that they could sugarcoat the damage they did to the franchise. "Hey kids! We don't have an interesting story with good characters like we did before, but here! Have this shitty death duel instead! You'll love it!"
Edited by Incinerox, Jan 21 2015, 04:59 PM.
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What about compsognathids? Don't they predate maniraptorans?
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Pebbly scales on the tail and hind legs, says Compsognathus and Juravenator.

But I was wrong. Sinosauropteryx and Sinocalliopteryx WERE completely feathered. It varied among the compies. But up until those guys, nothin' at all.
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Sorry, I didn't know we were talking about completely feathered dinosaurs (since as far as we know there were relatively few of those outside of maniraptorans and some other coelurosaurs).
Edited by CyborgIguana, Jan 21 2015, 05:01 PM.
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