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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,233 Views)
DinoBear
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One thing in general that annoys confuses me to no end is the whole issue with species and genera being rather paraphyletic concepts. The terms are super helpful for layman and easy use, which makes it all the more frustrating.
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Luca9108
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May 7 2015, 08:51 PM
Told a friend of mine about Yi Qi.

He said that the people who discovered Yi Qi are "dumb" because Yi Qi is "obviously a velociraptor and it looks exactly the same".

I'm so glad he lives half a world away from me. I would have strangled him to death.
What is the difference O.o ?
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CyborgIguana
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People who use "we can't prove it isn't true" to justify an extremely wild speculation about a prehistoric animal with no evidence or logic to back it up. It's basically the same as believing in Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster just because we can't prove with 100% certainty that they don't exist.
Edited by CyborgIguana, May 8 2015, 04:09 PM.
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Cheshire Litten
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The Eyes that follow you in the Alolan forests

The WWD gastornis
literally almost any gastornis has the same skin that was used here and the carnivores ice age skin is more accurate so why not use that as a base and its carnivorous which it in truth was not.
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CyborgIguana
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Walking with Beasts was made a LONG time before anyone even conceived of Gastornis as an herbivore.

Personally I think it was a pretty decent depiction for its time. Plus how can you say for certain which skin is more accurate when Gastornis has been dead for nearly 50 million years? As for it being copied endlessly, blame that on the people who chose to copy it endlessly rather than on the original depiction.
Edited by CyborgIguana, May 10 2015, 11:56 AM.
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Incinerox
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti

DinoBear
May 7 2015, 09:53 PM
One thing in general that annoys confuses me to no end is the whole issue with species and genera being rather paraphyletic concepts. The terms are super helpful for layman and easy use, which makes it all the more frustrating.
I'm not sure if the word "paraphyletic" is the word yer lookin for in this context.

But I get what you mean. When people have debates on whether or not two sister species are within the same genus or not is a completely void discussion. It only ever matters if there's going to be an actual shift in cladistical placement for any species involved.

Like, I'm pretty sure we could break the genus Varanus down into several smaller genera with absolutely zero consequences or relevance on how each species is related to each other.
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Cheshire Litten
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The Eyes that follow you in the Alolan forests

CyborgIguana
May 9 2015, 09:38 PM
Walking with Beasts was made a LONG time before anyone even conceived of Gastornis as an herbivore.

Personally I think it was a pretty decent depiction for its time. Plus how can you for certain which skin is more accurate when Gastornis has been dead for nearly 50 million years? As for it being copied endlessly, blame that on the people who chose to copy it endlessly rather than on the original depiction.
technically i was blaming the endless copiers for that part even though it may not look alot like it.and as for the skin do any other flightless birds have bright blue feathers?
Edited by Cheshire Litten, May 10 2015, 04:44 AM.
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Furka
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Crowned pigeons, Peafowls and several pheasants do. Granted, they are not flightless, but they are largely terrestrial.
Even if Gastornis couldn't fly, I don't really think it had to fear predators (not sure if there were mesonychids or such large enough to threaten it).

Also, you'd be surprised by how easily blue can disappear in the shadows of the forest.
Edited by Furka, May 10 2015, 04:54 AM.
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

TBH, WWB did a very great job on Gastornis's look. It was the very first source that depict this giant bird with more advance feathers like those waterfowls rather than the shaggy ratite's feathers that most old restorations prefered.
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Tyranachu
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People who put down old documentaries since they aren't up to date.

I mean, come on, they're still pretty accurate, and they were perfect for their time.
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Furka
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If you think about it, dinosaurs were more accurate when we knew little about them.
Look at the original "The Lost World" movie, it portrayed dinosaurs the way people thought they looked like back then.
Now we are stuck with retrosaurs even in documentaries.

Not to mention the abuse of CGI which makes everything look more fake.
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Cheshire Litten
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Furka
May 10 2015, 05:45 AM
If you think about it, dinosaurs were more accurate when we knew little about them.
Look at the original "The Lost World" movie, it portrayed dinosaurs the way people thought they looked like back then.
Now we are stuck with retrosaurs even in documentaries.

Not to mention the abuse of CGI which makes everything look more fake.
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planet dinosaur and dinosaur planet have the least retrosaurian dinosaurs I've seen in a documentary
Edited by Cheshire Litten, May 10 2015, 06:19 AM.
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Furka
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But they are still far from being portrayed according to current knowledge.
Their Troodon was highly underfeathered and way too skinny, it looked like the feather coat was glued to the bones themselves.
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

I consider Dinosaur Revolution's Troodon superior to both in look...

Seriously, we need Dinosaur Revolution realistic version where dinosaurs are potrayed as real animals, not cartoon characters. It would be a pretty neat documentary indeed.
Edited by Mathius Tyra, May 10 2015, 07:21 AM.
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Iben
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!

Mathius Tyra
May 10 2015, 07:20 AM
Seriously, we need Dinosaur Revolution realistic version where dinosaurs are potrayed as real animals, not cartoon characters. It would be a pretty neat documentary indeed.
I disagree here. I don't necessarily feel like the animals were portrayed as cartoon characters only. Sure it kinda felt more like those shows where they film nature and only show animals doing funny stuff, but I wouldn't call them cartoon characters, because just like in those shows, these behaviours are within the limits of possibility.

However, I too would have liked a less "funny" behaviour documentary. I still like DR a tad more than PD, simply because PD's environments never felt real to me and often it was the typical "here's a Spinosaurus, now here's an Ouranosaurus"-stuff instead of a true ecosystem, which is what it would have been in RL.
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