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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,451 Views)
Captain Phasma
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I am facing reality. This is why I don't believe evolution
1: Evolution can't answer my question, "Where did the world come from?"
2: Evolution isn't science. Science is something that needs to be observed, analyzed, and recorded
3: Someone needs to be present to do the observing, analyzing, and recording.
4: Evolutionary ideas change according to the individuals who think them up.
5: Evolutionary ideas are constantly changing.
6: Evolution is faith. A faith unjustified by works.
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Jules
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2,3,4,5 and 6 are wrong. Evolution is observed, analysed and recorded, as it is a theory. It was analysed, observed and recorded by hundreds of people, and the idea we have of evolution change as our knowledge increases. Evolutionary ideas change, indeed.
Evolution is not faith, there are numerous works behind it.

About the first, I don't understand. Evolution has no link with the origin of the world.
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Megaraptorking
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.

What CJ said is true there is no evolution in the creation of the world because due to gravity around stars which are born from some thing I do not remember chunks of stardust form rocks in which create a rock which makes a planet and then once earth was a firey molten pit water was added and it became a empty planet of rock and water....
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1: Evolution can't answer my question, "Where did the world come from?"

Evolution has nothing to do with where the world comes from, it has as much to do with where the world came from as it does with gravity or oxygen

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2: Evolution isn't science. Science is something that needs to be observed, analyzed, and recorded

Evolution has been observed, analyzed, recorded, examined and numerous other things, I feel you're being deliberately obtuse here

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3: Someone needs to be present to do the observing, analyzing, and recording.

To an extent, there have been many many thousands of people observing, analyzing and recording their findings on evolution

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4: Evolutionary ideas change according to the individuals who think them up.

Actually the theory of evolution has remained for the most part unchanged at it's core, it has been built upon, expanded and the parts we did not know are being discovered like filling in the blanks on a partially explored map, but the theory itself does not change

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5: Evolutionary ideas are constantly changing.

Incorrect, evolution as a theory remains consistent, the only argument is generally what evolved from what, when and how closely related things actually are. This does not conflict with the overall theory, simply the individual cases of application of said theory

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6: Evolution is faith. A faith unjustified by works.

Evolution is a recorded, analyzed, debated and observed scientific fact, backed up by credible evidence from more sources than can honestly be numbered, agreed on by the vast majority of the scientific population. As for being unjustified, there is an enormous weight of evidence behind evolution, are there still things about evolution we do not know? Yes, and we're trying to discover the truth behind what we don't know.

But let me take one moment to analyze your point as if it were legitimate. If Evolution was faith, which it clearly isn't, unless you are willing to say Gravity, matter, velocity, a spherical earth and almost all medical and scientific knowledge is 'faith' as well. If it was faith then so what?

I mean, you say it's faith, and you say it's unjustified faith. But how is it any less legitimate than your faith? I mean, speaking as a Christian myself (sorta, it's complicated) and playing Devil's Advocate, the only 'proof' of Christianity is the bible, a single centuries old book we don't know the precise origins of and which has little to no strong evidence behind it. It's faith that makes us believe it to be true, so why is it ok for our faith to be accepted and never be questioned, but to disregard other's faith immediately and entirely.

Evolution is not faith, and it honestly has a lot more 'hard evidence' behind it than most religions do. I believe in Christianity (again, it's complicated), but it seems foolish to completely disregard others, especially without looking into them in detail, and even moreso when what you are disregarding isn't a matter of faith or religion or creed, but rather scientific fact
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Captain Phasma
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I can't say I'm disregarding others, but variety and adaptation are completely different form evolution.
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Megaraptorking
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.

Also fact is everything is watching evolution as we speak, everything is experience it you just most of time do not notice it. People learn and pass that into their children, animals adapt and survive to the habitat it live in and it passes on. Evolution never is always large, it most of the time like 90% of the time is smaller evolutions when a animal needs to change it's shape it happens over millions of years from minor changes to adapt.

Because if there was evolution and god created the world, we be sitting in our homes of brick still in the eastern world because we never evolved the process to create boats or tools better than what they had then. So if so we would be screwed and end up being in the same loop for hundreds of years.

Also evolution is the main concept of adaption and verity like so there are many zebras right? They all are all from the same ancestor but in different evolution patterns made new species because if there was none there would not be many species but only one Zebra species called Zebra instead of plains Zebra, Grevy's Zebra, etc....
Edited by Megaraptorking, Nov 12 2013, 08:47 PM.
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Aardvark727
Nov 12 2013, 08:05 PM
I am facing reality. This is why I don't believe evolution
1: Evolution can't answer my question, "Where did the world come from?"
2: Evolution isn't science. Science is something that needs to be observed, analyzed, and recorded
3: Someone needs to be present to do the observing, analyzing, and recording.
4: Evolutionary ideas change according to the individuals who think them up.
5: Evolutionary ideas are constantly changing.
6: Evolution is faith. A faith unjustified by works.
1: That is a very poor argument against evolution. Water displacement cannot answer my question; where did the world come from. This is I don't believe in water displacement.

2: >_< We have already given you examples of how it can be observed, analyzed, and recorded. You yourself mentioned Darwin's finches, which is an example.

3: You have been given examples, please stop ingoing them.

4: This is called theorizing. It happens with all scientific things. Evolution is not changing, we are gaining a better understanding of it.

5: No, are understanding of them is constantly getting clearer. Think of science like a knife that is being constantly sharpened.

6. You are asserting that without evidence, yet evolution has plenty of evidence. You are ignoring the facts. There's absolutely no evidence for any of evolution's competing theories (ie. Young Earth Creationism), you may chose to ignore this, but at least know that you will drown in self-deceit.


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I can't say I'm disregarding others, but variety and adaptation are completely different form evolution.
Actually variety and adaptation are the very mechanisms by which evolution works.
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Aardvark727
Nov 12 2013, 08:05 PM
I am facing reality. This is why I don't believe evolution
1: Evolution can't answer my question, "Where did the world come from?"
2: Evolution isn't science. Science is something that needs to be observed, analyzed, and recorded
3: Someone needs to be present to do the observing, analyzing, and recording.
4: Evolutionary ideas change according to the individuals who think them up.
5: Evolutionary ideas are constantly changing.
6: Evolution is faith. A faith unjustified by works.
I'm sorry, but....







After ALL we said, you still don't see that evolution is real. I'm quite disappointed.
Edited by Fluffs, Nov 12 2013, 09:24 PM.
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Ignacio
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Murdock :worship:

I couldn't say it better. Evolution is a fact. Face it. And please read the links that were provided to you by several members.

Also, like i said before i posted a topic some time ago about the misunderstanding that people usually have of some scientific words... but since is obvious by now that you are not going to read nor research anything by your own, here it is the scientific use/meaning of the word theory:

Theory in science is: an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing.

In case you want to read more and learn the difference between a theory and hypothesis, here is the link: http://w11.zetaboards.com/The_Round_Table/topic/9102888/1/#new

And even christian members of this forum accept evolution is a true scientific fact that can't be deny and has nothing to do with faith... why can't you? And please don't repeat "Because there is no evidence" because we provided you with plenty of sources where you can read about all the evidence about it.

And stop comming to this topic to keep discussing something that was already explained to you several times and that is not the main subject of this topic.
Edited by Ignacio, Nov 12 2013, 09:41 PM.
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extremos
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Yeah make a "What annoys you the most in Science" or something, because not only is this not the place to discuss such themes you have also been coming here in short intervals and making such coments, completely disregarding our statements and insulting Charles Darwin and Evolution, so for the second and hopefully the last time I ask you, if you are going to keep making such arguments and if you're not going to pay attention to our evidence then please, stop posting such discussions here.
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Yes Aardvark, just stop, for all our sakes! You're not proving anything to us! If you want to vent your anger against science, there are plenty of creationist sites around!
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Aardvark727
Nov 12 2013, 08:43 PM
I can't say I'm disregarding others, but variety and adaptation are completely different form evolution.
No variation among a species and adaptation is evolution. This is why it is ridiculous that you assert evolution must explain the origin of the world. It does not and doesn't pretend to. Evolution as defined by wikipedia is:
"Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins."

This is observed, this is testable and it is repeatable (as I have shown you already but you continue to disregard) and this is the only thing evolution aspires to explain, and does so without discrepancy. It is an observable science, again as substantiated a theory as gravity. And as of such does not rely on faith.

If you want to discuss the origin of the universe, we can talk the big bang. If you want to discuss the origin of life, we can talk abiogenesis. Both of which also rely on observable and repeatable facts to make their case as well.
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

TyrantTR
Nov 12 2013, 10:50 PM
If you want to discuss the origin of the universe, we can talk the big bang. If you want to discuss the origin of life, we can talk abiogenesis. Both of which also rely on observable and repeatable facts to make their case as well.
And, as with the ongoing discussion on the wrongness of evolution, it's not related to the matter at hand. Aardvark, or anyone, may create another topic(s) to discuss these things so long as it remains civil and does not become an aggressive debate. However, I'd appreciate if the whole "evolution is fake! No it's real!" thing going on here stops, since it's off topic. :)
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Captain Phasma
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Alright! You got me! I'm not buying it, but you all seem so convinced, and my "feeble" arguments aren't going to change any minds. I may post questions in the future, but for now, I believe evolution is unreal.
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

That is your own issue then. We've given you so many sources of information.

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