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What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you.
Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,494 Views)
Furka
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from what i remember of Konrad Lorenz book, crows groups are more complex than that, although i read the book a while back and dont remember much ...
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extremos
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Where's Mr Pig?

Really? I didn't know that, but there's also lots of evidence that points to Raptors hunting in packs, right?
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Furka
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i don't remember any. raptors being very common where they lived, fine, but true evidence of pack hunting behaviour is something i haven't heard of yet.

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extremos
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Where's Mr Pig?

Furka
Sep 29 2013, 06:14 PM
i don't remember any. raptors being very common where they lived, fine, but true evidence of pack hunting behaviour is something i haven't heard of yet.
I've heard that the amount of teeth found on Raptor attack scenes are so big that one single animal couldn't provide such number of teeth without getting toothless in two or three attacks.
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CyborgIguana
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I'm annoyed that azhdarchid pterosaurs like Quetzalcoatlus are STILL often depicted as vulture-like scavengers. It's an insult to these amazing animals.
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extremos
Sep 29 2013, 06:20 PM
I've heard that the amount of teeth found on Raptor attack scenes are so big that one single animal couldn't provide such number of teeth without getting toothless in two or three attacks.


Were these attack or feeding scenes? Because the feeding doesn't have to occur together, animals may eat the carcass that the others hunted.

Megaraptorking
Sep 29 2013, 06:08 PM
They still might have moved in either small groups of family members AKA a Pack or lived like crows or animals who move in groups and will come and go as they wish.


They also may have had flamboyant frigatebird-esque display structures, but there's no evidence pointing towards that.

The only proof of remotely gregarious behaviour in any deinonychosaurs are the supposed group tracks of some dromaeosaurids from Asia, but then, it's not a hunting scene, and it also doesn't mean all of the sickle-claws had to live in groups. Behaviour and lifestyle is something very species-unique, not always common for all animals from the clade.
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

MrGorsh
Sep 30 2013, 12:00 AM
The only proof of remotely gregarious behaviour in any deinonychosaurs are the supposed group tracks of some dromaeosaurids from Asia, but then, it's not a hunting scene, and it also doesn't mean all of the sickle-claws had to live in groups. Behaviour and lifestyle is something very species-unique, not always common for all animals from the clade.
Exactly - compare lions and tigers, for example.
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Tyranachu
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Nerdasaurus

I MAED A COMICK. :D

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How T. rex is so overrated. That's what annoys me. I mean, sure, it's a remarkable animal, but it definitely wasn't the absolute uber dino-king that it's often depicted as.
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Tyranachu
Sep 30 2013, 12:36 AM
I MAED A COMICK. :D

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How T. rex is so overrated. That's what annoys me. I mean, sure, it's a remarkable animal, but it definitely wasn't the absolute uber dino-king that it's often depicted as.
You see, this is the exact reason why this guy's my friend. His awesome sense of humor. But i do agree that T. rex is an overrated animal. By the way, is the dino on the left in the second panel a Giga or a Carcha?
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Technically, while it is shorter overall than its distant carnosaurian cousins, Tyrannosaurus is believed to have had a heavier build than Giganotosaurus. One could thus consider the titanic coelurosaur larger than the carcharodontosaurs, even if it wasn't quite as long. Of course it's still debatable, but it isn't so clear-cut as to who was bigger.

Spinosaurus, on the other hand...
Edited by Verdant Gregor, Sep 30 2013, 01:07 AM.
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Megaraptorking
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.

MrGorsh
Sep 30 2013, 12:00 AM
Megaraptorking
Sep 29 2013, 06:08 PM
They still might have moved in either small groups of family members AKA a Pack or lived like crows or animals who move in groups and will come and go as they wish.


They also may have had flamboyant frigatebird-esque display structures, but there's no evidence pointing towards that.

The only proof of remotely gregarious behaviour in any deinonychosaurs are the supposed group tracks of some dromaeosaurids from Asia, but then, it's not a hunting scene, and it also doesn't mean all of the sickle-claws had to live in groups. Behaviour and lifestyle is something very species-unique, not always common for all animals from the clade.
So are you saying that Dromeosaurids never took care of their young? Because by may I meany the most likely took care of their young till they were able to reproduce or at least survive for a small amount of time on their own without a mate. Because even if they did not hunt in true large packs of multiple families but a group of family members of the same brooding or young and parental individuals.
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Iben
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!

Megaraptorking
Sep 30 2013, 01:23 AM
MrGorsh
Sep 30 2013, 12:00 AM
Megaraptorking
Sep 29 2013, 06:08 PM
They still might have moved in either small groups of family members AKA a Pack or lived like crows or animals who move in groups and will come and go as they wish.


They also may have had flamboyant frigatebird-esque display structures, but there's no evidence pointing towards that.

The only proof of remotely gregarious behaviour in any deinonychosaurs are the supposed group tracks of some dromaeosaurids from Asia, but then, it's not a hunting scene, and it also doesn't mean all of the sickle-claws had to live in groups. Behaviour and lifestyle is something very species-unique, not always common for all animals from the clade.
So are you saying that Dromeosaurids never took care of their young? Because by may I meany the most likely took care of their young till they were able to reproduce or at least survive for a small amount of time on their own without a mate. Because even if they did not hunt in true large packs of multiple families but a group of family members of the same brooding or young and parental individuals.
No, he's pointing out that behaviours are unique and due the fact that fossils are like photos in an album, we will never know what their behaviours were exactly. And that species differ from each other, because a certain behaviour occurs in one, doesn't mean it will in others.

He said nothing about parental care. ;)
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Similis
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Megaraptorking
Sep 30 2013, 01:23 AM
MrGorsh
Sep 30 2013, 12:00 AM
Megaraptorking
Sep 29 2013, 06:08 PM
They still might have moved in either small groups of family members AKA a Pack or lived like crows or animals who move in groups and will come and go as they wish.


They also may have had flamboyant frigatebird-esque display structures, but there's no evidence pointing towards that.

The only proof of remotely gregarious behaviour in any deinonychosaurs are the supposed group tracks of some dromaeosaurids from Asia, but then, it's not a hunting scene, and it also doesn't mean all of the sickle-claws had to live in groups. Behaviour and lifestyle is something very species-unique, not always common for all animals from the clade.
So are you saying that Dromeosaurids never took care of their young? Because by may I meany the most likely took care of their young till they were able to reproduce or at least survive for a small amount of time on their own without a mate. Because even if they did not hunt in true large packs of multiple families but a group of family members of the same brooding or young and parental individuals.
Brooding over the eggs is well documented within various clades of Maniraptora, though most assumptions about rearing the young are based on the rare fragments of knowledge, it is thought that most coelurosaurs were precocial, in fact, most non-avian dinosaurs probably were.

Notable 'exceptions' are hadrosaurs that kept their young in the nest longer until they were able to walk out of it.

And also these do not count towards pack hunting, packing behaviour being a general rule, or living in groups at all in Dromaeosauridae.
Edited by Similis, Sep 30 2013, 01:50 AM.
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Danny
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A book I once read when I was younger that told me the coloration of various dinos, particularly the "fact" that t-rexes were green. And yes, this was supposed to be non-fiction.
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CyborgIguana
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I know this has been said before, but the lack of respect towards paleontology in the 21st century is something that REALLY irks me! One of my friends at school even complained once about how paleontologists "get payed millions of dollars just to dig a hole". That sums up to me just how much he knows about paleontology. I'm not asking everyone to be interested in these things, but at least have the decency to treat those who are with an ounce of dignity.
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