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| What annoys you about paleontology?; Rant on about moronic theories, complaints, or just animals that annoy you. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 05:04 PM (256,428 Views) | |
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Dec 15 2013, 06:12 PM Post #1081 |
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True, but you can go fishing for squirrels XD On topic: Dont crocodilians lay leathery eggs though? Then again I guess that doesn't count as soft because they're still pretty strong, just made differently. Edited by Admiral General Aladeen, Dec 15 2013, 06:13 PM.
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| CyborgIguana | Dec 15 2013, 06:47 PM Post #1082 |
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The fact that there's a good number of kids in my school who think dinosaurs didn't exist. Though they may just be saying that to piss me off.
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| Whalebite | Dec 16 2013, 02:18 AM Post #1083 |
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The whole classification system is linear a done by a man who didn't believe species changed, so in all farness the whole system needs an overhaul, And technically aren't mammals reptiles |
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| Swimming Spaghetti Monster | Dec 16 2013, 10:21 AM Post #1084 |
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And reptiles are only type of amphibians.And amphibians are only specialised group of fish.Etc,etc...Basically we are all interestingly developed bacterias. |
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| Meerkatmatt2 | Dec 16 2013, 03:29 PM Post #1085 |
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Cladlistics and linnean classification are two different systems. |
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| Jannick | Dec 16 2013, 03:50 PM Post #1086 |
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Papua merdeka!
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As far as I know all modern birds descend from a single common (dinosaurian) ancestor and are (as a group) not paraphyletic - though there are undubitably some 'bird' genera that are currently not grouped within 'Aves' - so I don't see why 'bird' is a more inaccurate term than 'baleen whale', 'sauropod' or 'gecko' and I certainly don't think just abolishing it altogether is going to make life any easier for anyone. As for the 'birds aren't that different from reptiles and mammals are', well, I beg to differ. Modern birds are vastly different from (modern) reptiles for reasons that I don't think need to be explained. Of course, they are not vastly different from dinosaurs, which are considered reptiles, but then again, mammals are not vastly different from mammal-like reptiles, which are considered reptiles aswell, so if you're going to call birds reptiles you might as well call mammals reptiles and eventually we end up with an enormously unhelpful superclass called 'life' and in the end we will have achieved absolutely nothing. Instead, it seems like the sentiment against 'bird' as a term stems from certain paleo-nuts trying to make it excessively clear that 'BIRDS R DINOSAWRS' just in case somebody missed the memo and went ahead and dared utter the phrase 'birds aren't reptiles'. Justified, of course, since birds are reptiles, but abolishing the term 'bird' is vastly unhelpful and extremely unjustified. |
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| extremos | Dec 16 2013, 04:05 PM Post #1087 |
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Where's Mr Pig?
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I think that your argument about Mammal-like Reptiles is very consistent, and, in my opinion (Who, before reading your post actually thought that Synapsida was actually a class) Dinosauria and Synapsida should be different classes, for their greatly differ form their reptile ancestors. Perhaps it could go further, and Archosauria as a whole could be moved into a separate class (The discovery of when exactly feathers appeared would greatly contribute to such a reclassification). Yet, it atill hasn't been done... Oh and Synapsids are not considered reptiles, they're just amniotes, but not reptiles...
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| Jules | Dec 16 2013, 04:10 PM Post #1088 |
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Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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Well, Dimetrodon is considered a reptile, as all other Pelycosaurs are Though they are synapsids.
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| extremos | Dec 16 2013, 04:15 PM Post #1089 |
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Where's Mr Pig?
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Are you sure? Wikipedia states that Amniota is divided into Synapsida and Sauropsida, and their first image for Synapsid is a Dimetrodon skeleton, so I thought they were considered Synapsids... |
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| Jules | Dec 16 2013, 04:20 PM Post #1090 |
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Mihi est imperare orbi universo
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I just checked wikipedia, and it's just plain weird. While Reptilia is a class, Synapsida and Sauropsida are clades D: |
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| Ludozoo | Dec 16 2013, 05:12 PM Post #1091 |
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a clade is an ancestor and all his descendants |
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| Sheather | Dec 16 2013, 05:27 PM Post #1092 |
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!
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I never said to abolish "bird". That would be utterly ridiculous, like abolishing "dog" in favor of "mammal". However, it should be noted that, while very unique, birds are still reptiles, either that or many dinosaurs are birds and pterosaurs are their own class, for pterosaurs differ just as much from reptilian ancestors as birds do. |
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Dec 16 2013, 06:11 PM Post #1093 |
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.
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I think it's the fact "Normal" people think birds is their own group from dinosaurs. Emphisise on normal people by that I mean people who are normally considered normal by other "normal" people then there is us, the animal, dinosaur, intelligent people, who knows what dinosaurs are, what they are currently, and what their name means. Plus knows more than One to Five dinosaurs and above. |
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| Sheather | Dec 16 2013, 06:13 PM Post #1094 |
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!
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No that is not what I mean. But it's really not important anymore and not really worth it to me to discuss; it was just a single little thing, no use making a mountain out of a molehill. |
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| CyborgIguana | Dec 16 2013, 06:42 PM Post #1095 |
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The fact that whenever a new dinosaur games is being made, there are always people who want the option to play as a dinosaur, even if it doesn't make sense for the game in particular. Like The Stomping Land for instance: yeah, it's gonna be a real blast to either get hunted endlessly or have some hairless monkey riding on your back and controlling you. Don't get me wrong, being a dinosaur is pretty awesome, but for some games it just doesn't work! |
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Though they are synapsids.

