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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2013, 09:05 PM (305,625 Views) | |
| BossAggron | May 17 2015, 09:29 PM Post #1996 |
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Formerly Dilophoraptor
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| CyborgIguana | May 17 2015, 09:32 PM Post #1997 |
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Awesome, though I'm not too sure about the naked legs and belly. I'm aware that Tyrannosaurus DID have somewhat naked legs, but I would still feather at least the uppermost parts TBH. |
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| Terrena Laxamentum | May 17 2015, 09:43 PM Post #1998 |
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There is always something going on...
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This is adorable! |
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| Tyranachu | May 17 2015, 10:10 PM Post #1999 |
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Nerdasaurus
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a little too realistic* I personally like the WWD utahraptor. It really felt like I was watching real animals when I first saw them in action. |
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| 54godamora | May 17 2015, 11:40 PM Post #2000 |
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i meant by which screamed jack the ripper because that is the nickname for the utahraptor form my character has in my RWBY fanfiction. |
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| Iben | May 18 2015, 05:42 AM Post #2001 |
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!
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Indeed. So far no-one found a specimen of skin from the thighs. Their top speed doesn't suggest naked thighs either, so it's only reasonable to assume these parts were feathered as well. Edited by Iben, May 18 2015, 05:43 AM.
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| Incinerox | May 18 2015, 08:33 AM Post #2002 |
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti
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Eh, I'm sorta on the fence on covering tyrannosaur thighs with feathers. The science goes either for or against it given the presence of leather on the ventral areas and lower legs of tyrannosauroids (Yutyrannus was a special case, given it's toes were feathered, something not known from more advanced tyrannosaurids, nor the more basal Dilong). So I can only really make a response to this from an artistic perspective, which is not normally how I make my arguments (because of the risk of sounding like "hur dur iz coolur dis wey" type people). But if you ask me, people who restore a fully feathered tyrannosaurid leg don't really think about the one question it brings up: "The underside of the tail and ventral areas are unfeathered. Why THERE?". When I restore my dinosaurs, I like to make sure everything's connected to each other, or at least has a reason for being there/not being there. To me, giving a tyrannosaurine feathered legs but leaving the vent leathery creates a very disjointed, fake look. It just doesn't "make sense". Especially when they create a very distinct separation between the feathered upper side of the tail, and a bald underside. But on the other side, people who leave tyrannosaurine legs completely exposed always do the same thing, and that as well creates a very fake looking animal. The bald patch on the animal is always too leg shaped. They'll feather the face, the torso, and the upper side of the tail, but they'll just completely leave a thigh shaped space between the torso and tail (even the tops of the hips will be feathered 99% of the time). This is even weirder when you realise that most of the thigh won't actually be that noticable under layers of muscle, fat and skin. It'd basically be all part of one big flowing mass of flesh save for basically the knees. You don't HAVE to make the thigh so obvious. Not even ostriches constrain their bald spots that rigorously to the thigh muscles. While I'm more than happy to shake up how I feather tyrannosauroid faces and necks (I'm more inclined to give T. rex bald faces, while smaller Megaraptor gets a feathered, almost whiskered face from me), I DO have a bad habit of giving my tyrannosaurs bald tails, even when it's likely there was at least some integument going on there. I don't know why. But that said, a feathered animal with a featherless tail is not something unseen in dinosaurs. So with that, and the known integument in mind, I just leave their tails bald, purely for the sake of avoiding an obvious two-layered appearance. But hey, if we find out later on down the line that that's how they looked in life and I'm wrong that's totally fine.... ...Except for the fact that I'd be wrong. I don't think I'd like that. What's being wrong even like? |
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| Iben | May 18 2015, 11:33 AM Post #2003 |
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There'll be no foot-walking! Just air-flying!
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My biggest problem with the naked thighs is the fact that so far we've only have one animal that has the naked thighs shown in most reconstruction. And that's in an ostrich. Animals like Emu's, Nandu's, Cassowaries, etc. all have feathered thighs. To me, it's important to also keep the biological side of the science in mind ( which for instance, completely debunks any hypothesis including "feathered as young, scaly as adult), and so far it seems to be an odd thing amongst birds. I'm not saying that it's therefore an argument against it, but looking at the science side of it, we have to consider modern birds at least for a bit. The science against it does makes sense, looking at modern animals and comparing their size/habitat/top speeds ( I've already explained it before so I don't really think I have to do it again), but then again you raise a valid point when considering the tail. This would either mean that the thighs are indeed naked, but then we do have their habitat/climate to consider. Because although the average temperature doesn't seem to influence the featheredness of the thighs in warm climates ( as in, Emu's living in a far hotter area than Ostriches, but have more feathers on their thighs than Ostriches ), but I'm not entirely sure that this also the case for lower temperatures. With a habitat with an average temperature of 7~11°C (Source), which only differs very little with Yutyrannus' habitat (10°C Source ), I'm more inclined to believe that Tyrannosaurus would have had a similar amount of feathering as Yutyrannus. Especially given the fact that we aren't entirely sure that the underside of Tyrannosaurus' tail was indeed unfeathered. We have a few patches, but those are really small according to Larson, and the fact that Holtz claims it's possible that the patches we have might not even be from Tyrannosaurus, I think a bit of scepticism might be required when we leave the underside of the tail unfeathered. So when looking at the science side of it, I'm a bit more inclined to think that naked thighs are a specific form of adaptation only found in birds/dinosaurs with high top-speeds, simply because of the heat the muscles create. Edited by Iben, May 18 2015, 11:35 AM.
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| Luca9108 | May 18 2015, 11:52 AM Post #2004 |
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Master of Dinosaurs
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Utahraptor:
Edited by Luca9108, May 18 2015, 11:53 AM.
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| 54godamora | May 18 2015, 12:04 PM Post #2005 |
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that does scream Jack the Ripper, but to me JFC version really screams it. |
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| Mathius Tyra | May 18 2015, 12:57 PM Post #2006 |
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life
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![]() Err... Sorry... I don't really feel this guy looks scary at all.... Like, look at that face!!! I am scared by the bloody Gastonia featuring in the same episode more than this guy.... That's just my opinion tho.... This is the most up-to-date one of my favorite reconstruction of Utahraptor anyway....
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| CyborgIguana | May 18 2015, 01:19 PM Post #2007 |
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Plus JFC was just an awful documentary in general. Also dinosaurs are animals, not monsters. They don't have to scream Jack The Ripper. Edited by CyborgIguana, May 18 2015, 01:33 PM.
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| Paleodude | May 18 2015, 05:17 PM Post #2008 |
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ex-Krampus
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JFC was made for entertainment not for scientific accuracy which would explain the featherless chupacabras wegot. As for good Utahraptors, My favorite has to be Luis V. Rey's for it's color and the energy the scene contains. Although I admit they are lacking in feathers overall.
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| CyborgIguana | May 18 2015, 05:35 PM Post #2009 |
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Then it shouldn't have claimed to be a documentary, that's my beef with it. That shows like these are willing to lie to impressionable audiences just so they can make more cash. Edited by CyborgIguana, May 18 2015, 05:35 PM.
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| Paleodude | May 18 2015, 06:10 PM Post #2010 |
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ex-Krampus
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Oh well such is the burden of being a paleo-fan, at least we can help spread correct facts and reconstructions. Anyways a kid I babysit showed me that Dinosaur Train show and I have to say minus the muppet like eyes and weird David Peter's like pteranodon family some of the dinosaurs are accurately shown with feathers and little to no shrink wrapping. Only beef I have is the lack of feathered tyrannosaurs but for a kids show it's pretty accurate. |
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