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Animal Welfare Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 5 2013, 06:29 PM (4,779 Views)
Fluffs
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Pull my finger!

Overall, Namibia is a poaching hot-spot.
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CyborgIguana
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SlenderRex
Nov 8 2013, 09:51 PM
CyborgIguana
Nov 8 2013, 07:19 PM
I agree with you there. ;) I suspect seals are much easier prey anyway.
Hey sorry about before. It's just that as an animal advocate I have strong feelings.
Apology accepted. I'm sorry about how badly I reacted as well. ;)
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MarxRaptor
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I oppose whaling. I think there is a moral reason not to whale, & from a Satanic perspective it is definitely wrong to kill an animal like a whale just for cough sushi cough medical research.
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I believe the rhino hunt was cancelled, but the only place that need less elephants is tsavo national park, they have to cull them there because they end up smashing too many trees and taking all the food and water.
atleast they turn them into jerky afterwards. they stopped it but still cull buffalo.
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Meerkatmatt2
Nov 8 2013, 10:44 PM
I believe the rhino hunt was cancelled, but the only place that need less elephants is tsavo national park, they have to cull them there because they end up smashing too many trees and taking all the food and water.
atleast they turn them into jerky afterwards. they stopped it but still cull buffalo.
Elephants are endangered, so I think they should just move them elsewhere.
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I can see that the Indonesian Lamalera would die without sperm whales, but I question if the Inuit need whales when they have seals, caribou, and fish.
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SlenderRex
Nov 8 2013, 10:46 PM
I can see that the Indonesian Lamalera would die without sperm whales, but I question if the Inuit need whales when they have seals, caribou, and fish.
Caribou also need protection, as they are becoming rare in my home province. Thankfully the government is now regulating the hunt very strictly.
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What about canned lion and tiger (that's right I said tiger) hunting in SA, I'm sure that's cruel.
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It's common here, too. It's sickening. I'll just change this title to Animal Welfare Chat.
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CyborgIguana
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Yes, canned hunts are extremely cruel! Not to mention that there's very little sport in shooting at animals locked up in pens. It just gives the humans a cheating advantage.
Edited by CyborgIguana, Nov 8 2013, 11:21 PM.
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canned hunt is just disgusting, there's no fair game hunting in a fenced area (unless said fenced area is one of those african reserves that are larger than Switzerland) an animal that comes from a zoo or other captive facility.
hunting reserves are fenced here too, but that's because they are often located near crops and can't let the animals get into them. plus, only the large ungulates are closed in the reserve (said ungulates come from natural parks that would have otherwise culled them), small animals have actually learned to get in and out of the reserve to escape hunters.

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I can see that the Indonesian Lamalera would die without sperm whales, but I question if the Inuit need whales when they have seals, caribou, and fish.


but it's not like they have Plenty of those animals out there, plus if they specialized in hunting seals this would cause a big drop in the numbers of the populations (not to mention that if seals become rarer in one particular year, the inuit will have serious problems). the key here is a balanced hunting of those species that can be used.

as for the elephants, while i do disagree with killing them, you must realize that moving an elephant (or more than one) is not something easy and that can be done every time.
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Mathius Tyra
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Furka
Nov 9 2013, 05:18 AM
as for the elephants, while i do disagree with killing them, you must realize that moving an elephant (or more than one) is not something easy and that can be done every time.
Yeah, the other problem is that the destination place to release the elephants must have good enough food and protection. Being such large animals, we can't just release them anywhere we want, so that they won't get into troble with the resident wildlives(competition for food in limited area) or villagers living around there(crops raiding, competition with livstocks.)
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Nov 9 2013, 06:22 AM
Furka
Nov 9 2013, 05:18 AM
as for the elephants, while i do disagree with killing them, you must realize that moving an elephant (or more than one) is not something easy and that can be done every time.
Yeah, the other problem is that the destination place to release the elephants must have good enough food and protection. Being such large animals, we can't just release them anywhere we want, so that they won't get into troble with the resident wildlives(competition for food in limited area) or villagers living around there(crops raiding, competition with livstocks.)
Don't forget, they can sterilize the elephants.
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And how do you do that ? Run after the elephant in a jeep, shoot it a tranq dart with a dose high enough to kill any other animal if you miss, and then sterilize it ?
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Crookedjaw
Nov 9 2013, 11:08 AM
And how do you do that ? Run after the elephant in a jeep, shoot it a tranq dart with a dose high enough to kill any other animal if you miss, and then sterilize it ?
That would most probably be the only possible solution, yes. It would take several years to have any effect and it's quite difficult to calculate how much effect it'll have on the population. It doesn't have any effects immediately either, so they'll continue to destroy the area for quite a while after the sterilization. Sterilizing, like 50% of the male population (which is needed to limit the population somewhat) tightens the gene pool aswell.
Fact is that we'd need fairly much tranquilizer to operate it in the brousse, which takes much longer than a normal sterilization, obviously. Using that much of it might cause the elephant to die. Plus, it's more expensive, which is something poor countries cannot afford. Culling some elephants in an overpopulated area is, to me, the only solution possible.
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