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Stop Melissa Bachman!
Topic Started: Nov 19 2013, 12:13 PM (4,285 Views)
Furka
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i don't see how it has no place, it brings money to people who really need it in many cases, and as long as it's regulated properly, the animals hunted aren't vulnerable and most of it is used for a good cause other than the trophy.
and while you may not see lions as food, try to ask that to the people from rural areas of Africa who live in a completely different world from us.
we are apex predators, like it or not, which means most animals can be seen as food.

on that note, i have this book of old hunting stories, and there's one in which the author/main character and a friend of him are lost in the savannah and eat a lion that they killed for self defense, and the author tells that lion meat is actually very tasty (well they are cats afterall).
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Jules
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Cat is tasty. Or kitten is, at least :3
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Posted Image Azrael
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Lions actually have been moved from Least Concern to Vulnerable status, there are only between 30,000-35,000 left.
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Furka
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that's why i don't support their hunting. Tanzania is a possible exception, because of the reasons i already mentioned, but i could be wrong and overall i would prefer if we didn't need that.
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Elephas Maximus
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Nov 21 2013, 04:51 PM
Now no one yell at me for this, lions aren't supposed to be food or trophies, it's just disgusting, as for man-eaters, just because they happen doesn't mean trophy hunting is needed, just relocate or get rangers to kill them. Trophy hunting in Africa has no place in the modern world people, I hope you all understand.
People, you're over-reactive.

A character of a young woman doesn't fit in our mind with a hunting obsession. Place a native ranger on the pic instead of her, with the same happy face after long, exhausting, but successful hunt. Feel the difference?

Or imagine a not-so-cute animal instead of lion - a hyena. Or crocodile. Or python. Or black mamba. A species that wasn't made so charismatic in our culture & media. Feel the same grief for an 'ugly' critter, Simba fans?

And remember that trophy animals are used wisely - for meat & taxidermy.
While most of captive (zoo) animals are treated like trash after death, beacuse preserving them is often expensive, and 'inhumane' for our anthropomorphic mind.
Name any zoo that completely preserved an African elephant or a White rhino (game species) after natural death in 21st century? You'll have enough fingers at one hand to count.
Even endangered, scientifically valuable specimens are not always spared (name Asian elephants or Indian rhinos).
They're usually destroyed and go into oblivion. Without any grave for sensitive animal lovers to weep at.

Edited by Elephas Maximus, Nov 21 2013, 05:37 PM.
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Furka
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Elephas Maximus
Nov 21 2013, 05:35 PM
Or imagine a not-so-cute animal instead of lion - a hyena. Or crocodile. Or python. Or black mamba. A species that wasn't made so charismatic in our culture & media. Feel the same grief for an 'ugly' critter, Simba fans?
tecnically none of these animals are listed as vulnerable, they are all least concern (except the python for which i couldn't find data but i don't think it's Vulnerable).
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Elephas Maximus
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I omitted the conservation statuses to highlight an emotional side :)

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I'd be upset if anyone killed any of those animals just for sport, I hate "sport" hunting, and I really don't understand your point about taxidermy being something prideful.

I don't really expect a zoo to keep the hundreds to thousands of animals that pass through their park all waxed up and sitting around the zoo and honestly, it'd be a little creepy.
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Azrael
Nov 21 2013, 05:43 PM
I'd be upset if anyone killed any of those animals just for sport, I hate "sport" hunting, and I really don't understand your point about taxidermy being something prideful.

I don't really expect a zoo to keep the hundreds to thousands of animals that pass through their park all waxed up and sitting around the zoo and honestly, it'd be a little creepy.
You don't have to kill an animal to mount it and display it - there are such sources as roadkill, rescued wildlife that didn't make it, and zoo inhabitants.
Those who have seen professional taxidermy pieces, would change their attitide so 'stuffed animals' (they're not actually stuffed today, but rather mounted using artificial body forms).
Some zoos use their dead ones in education. For example, San Diego zoo has a beautiful Gharial skeleton display.
Museums can hardly be overloaded (actually, they exhibit a part of collection at time, which is being rotated).
And it won't hurt to create a NH museum in the city that hasn't one, but has a zoo.
Mounting a population of, say, gemsboks that died naturally in a safari park over the years would make a great display and would cost less than going to Africa for them. Moreover, in the wild only adult males may harvested, but in the captivity animals can die at all ages.
With proper paperwork, many common species may be purchased by interested people (collectors etc.), raising the funds for animal-keeping facility.
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Furka
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i doubt a roadkill is in good enough conditions to be used.
and it's not only mature males that can be hunted: many reserves in many countries allow you to kill females and young males too. it's just that the majority of people want the trophies, so they head mainly for the male (in some exception old females are taken too, like gemsboks and zebras).
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Azrael
Nov 21 2013, 05:43 PM
I'd be upset if anyone killed any of those animals just for sport, I hate "sport" hunting, and I really don't understand your point about taxidermy being something prideful.

I don't really expect a zoo to keep the hundreds to thousands of animals that pass through their park all waxed up and sitting around the zoo and honestly, it'd be a little creepy.
It's good to have someone with the same support as me ;)

Anyway, i know I've said this before so no one get mad, lions don't belong on a dinner plate nor some guy's wall. much like whale meat, lion meat is poisonous (although it doesn't contain mercury)
Edited by Tyrannocanthosaurus, Nov 21 2013, 06:45 PM.
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Megaraptorking
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.

Actually every animal is everybody else food, in reality, lions die and become bacteria's food in which decompose the body for plants in which is eaten by plant eaters and which is eaten by lions or other large predators...
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Ignacio
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The Circle of Life, Simba :P
Edited by Ignacio, Nov 21 2013, 08:03 PM.
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Megaraptorking
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I stand in the shadows waiting for you to return me to the light.

That pretty much sums it up, so yeah Exactly! Akunna mattata!
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Admiral General Aladeen
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****Hakuna Matata

Anyway, I would just like to add that I think hunting for bragging rights and stuff is just useless. I respect people who hunt moose or something to provide for themselves. If they want to keep the head as a trophy, I say let them. I just cant stand hunting for trophy alone.
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