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Extinct Animal Questions
Topic Started: Nov 26 2013, 10:24 PM (193,394 Views)
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Would it still be possible if the Stokesosaurus attacked the larger animal's chest and never got hurt in the process.
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Jun 2 2015, 10:47 AM
Would it be possible for a sub adult Stokesosaurus to fend off an adult Torvosaurus from its kill?
I was about to post how crazy this idea sounded, but then decided to actually give it some thought.

After all, the question is NOT about whether a sub adult Stokeso could KILL or even risk FIGHTING an adult Torvosaurus. The question is if it could drive it away. So starting off, size chart:

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It's fairly obvious that in a fight, or if both parties were of equal aggression, the Torvosaurus would come out on top. Every time. Simple fact. Moving on.

But since the aim is simply to put off the Torvosaurus, the entire argument becomes a lot more speculative. We'd have to establish the size of the kill, both animals' relative hunger levels and either animal's health, therefore establishing how important the kill in question is.

For example, a torvosaurus that has recently eaten, or is on that particular day feeling under the weather, might not waste energy over taking some midget animal's kill. Neither would a torvosaurus waste its time scaring off a kill that a Stokeso could swallow in two or three bites either. Conversely, a Stokeso could probably just wait it out if the Torvo's got a VAST kill, and won't need to fight at all.

Then here's where it gets controversial. Aggression levels. Sometimes winning the fight isn't so much how much damage you CAN do, but it's about how much damage the opponent THINKS you can do.

So say, hypothetically, we're dealing with typical, skittish lightweight theropod, versus a big heavy, lumbering BEAST of a dinosaur that fears nothing. Simple answer to the question is "no, no the Stokeso cannot fend off a Torvosaurus".

But say, hypothetically speaking, Torvosaurus turns out to be a very mild mannered theropod. I mean, it's not like top predators are absolutely fearless. A 70-80kg human waving its arms about while shouting can EASILY make a 200kg bear run away scared. It might take surprisingly little to scare off a Torvosaurus that'd rather not get in a fight.

And while we're on that trail of thought, wolverines, honey badgers, terriers, tasmanian devils etc. None of those things are particularly big, but especially for the wolverines and honey badgers, they make up for it by being noisy, scrappy sociopathic nightmares. A creature with the word "honey" in its name can EASILY scare a lion away. And lets not forget that tiny songbirds are frequently seen mobbing other birds, particularly hawks and crows, which are MASSIVE in comparison.

Since I've stepped into the realms of speculation ages ago in this post, I frequently think that Torvoaurus, based off its lower physique and general rarity, is the most timid of Morrison's "Big Three", with Ceratosaurus with its spikes and stocky build being the most solitarily aggressive of the lot.

But with Stokeso, it's hard to say. I don't imagine it to be any more or less aggressive than other theropods its size. If it turned out to be a wolverine-ish midget sociopath, it may be enough for a full adult to put off a Torvosaurus from a meal that, in its mind, isn't worth it. But any less than that, and Torvo would be able to see through the bluff.

Especially since a sub-adult Stokeso would be less confident in general than an adult specimen. It'd be more likely to turn and run, regardless.

It'd help if the Stokeso were in at least group of 3, I think. That'd make the bluff less transparent, and make group mobbing a more plausable outcome.

Tl;dr, it all boils down to whether or not the Stokeso could put up enough of a show against a significantly larger predator that simply doesn't think the prize is worth calling the bluff.
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Thanks guys. I was going to see if this post in my rp is plausible.
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Jun 2 2015, 07:18 PM
Since I've stepped into the realms of speculation ages ago in this post, I frequently think that Torvoaurus, based off its lower physique and general rarity, is the most timid of Morrison's "Big Three", with Ceratosaurus with its spikes and stocky build being the most solitarily aggressive of the lot.
Let's not forget Ceratosaurus basically has a Satan-like face :P
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Do we know any extinct cave animals?
Edited by Luca9108, Jun 3 2015, 09:53 AM.
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The cave bear? :-)
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Jun 3 2015, 04:15 PM
The cave bear? :-)
I think he means troglobites. And the answer would be no, we don't.
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Just an educated guess, but I knew the basic concept of what Luca meant
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Jun 3 2015, 08:41 PM
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The cave bear? :-)
I think he means troglobites. And the answer would be no, we don't.
Yes, I mean that.
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AFAIK we don't have evidence that cave bears spent much more time in caves than bears today. Caves are just where most of their remains got preserved.
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What are the estimates on how much a t rex would need to eat in a day to survive, also what about a brontosaurus sized sauropod?

Thank You :)
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So, what is the most accurated way to draw theropod feet? Giving them bird-liked feet or something because I eard someone say that bird's scales on their legs are actually derived feather. So, if it really is, it wouldn't make much sense if I put it on featherless theropod reconstruction.
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Don't just draw a bird's feet... Suit it with the animals' skeletal as well... Check out skeletal references...
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May 24 2015, 11:47 AM
Weren't theropod shoulder girdles poorly adapted for any sort of quadrupedal movement?
Still confused about this.
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Jun 6 2015, 01:22 PM
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May 24 2015, 11:47 AM
Weren't theropod shoulder girdles poorly adapted for any sort of quadrupedal movement?
Still confused about this.
The Shoulders of Theropods seem to be bad at holding the weight of the Animal.
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