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Extinct Animal Questions
Topic Started: Nov 26 2013, 10:24 PM (193,257 Views)
BossMan, Jake
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I believe it was simply bully prey to the ground and force their sabers down fats and hard into the victim's jugular to cause near immidiate blood loss and death
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Incinerox
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Āeksiot Zaldrīzoti

heliosphoros
Oct 17 2016, 04:17 PM
Jugulator
No.

That's a Judas Priest album.
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Oct 17 2016, 06:48 PM
heliosphoros
Oct 17 2016, 04:17 PM
Jugulator
No.

That's a Judas Priest album.
There's a mammal called Jugulator
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Does anyone know what the lifespan for ground sloths was thought to be?
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BossMan, Jake
Oct 17 2016, 06:04 PM
I believe it was simply bully prey to the ground and force their sabers down fats and hard into the victim's jugular to cause near immidiate blood loss and death
But how did they catch the prey in the first place? Were they ambush predators like leopards and tigers or cursorial hunters like lions? And how would this have differed between species?
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I think it was different among species. Don't quote me on that, but IIRC Homotherium was rather cursorial.
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Incinerox
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All cats are ambush predators. Lions individually are no different. It so happens that by working together, they can prolong a chase between the pride members.

Smilodon itself as a genus was not built for a long run either, and likely depended on available cover. Longer front limbs and a short torso does not an efficient runner make.

Not for a cat anyway.
Edited by Incinerox, Oct 18 2016, 07:42 AM.
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Incinerox
Oct 17 2016, 06:48 PM
heliosphoros
Oct 17 2016, 04:17 PM
Jugulator
No.

That's a Judas Priest album.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugulator_(mammal)
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Oct 18 2016, 07:40 AM
All cats are ambush predators. Lions individually are no different. It so happens that by working together, they can prolong a chase between the pride members.

Smilodon itself as a genus was not built for a long run either, and likely depended on available cover. Longer front limbs and a short torso does not an efficient runner make.

Not for a cat anyway.
Homotherium and other derived homotherini almost deffinitivelly had several adaptations that indicate an emphasis on endurance hunting. Large nostrils, semi-retractable claws, relativelly unflexible spine, hyeana like limb proportions and likely adapted to open envioriments.

https://chasingsabretooths.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/a-clash-of-titans-lion-vs-scimitar-tooth-cat/
Edited by babehunter1324, Oct 18 2016, 01:00 PM.
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babehunter1324
Oct 18 2016, 12:59 PM
Incinerox
Oct 18 2016, 07:40 AM
All cats are ambush predators. Lions individually are no different. It so happens that by working together, they can prolong a chase between the pride members.

Smilodon itself as a genus was not built for a long run either, and likely depended on available cover. Longer front limbs and a short torso does not an efficient runner make.

Not for a cat anyway.
Homotherium and other derived homotherini almost deffinitivelly had several adaptations that indicate an emphasis on endurance hunting. Large nostrils, semi-retractable claws, relativelly unflexible spine, hyeana like limb proportions and likely adapted to open envioriments.

https://chasingsabretooths.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/a-clash-of-titans-lion-vs-scimitar-tooth-cat/
Well... I was just about to say the same thing but without just stealing your thunder indeed in The Big Cats And Their Fossil Relatives by Alan Turner it brings up the fact that Machairodonts weren't meant for surprising their prey like modern-day Panthera but instead hunting much like how bears do: deliberate running up to the prey, short and steady chase, wrestling it to the ground, and a dispatch bite to whatever their teeth were meant to be biting.

Honestly saying "all cats" doesn't work well here; Machairodonts overall are nearly as far away from "typical" cats as you can get.
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BossMan, Jake
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What were other examples of dinosaurs, land masses, or fossil formations that show either insular gigantism or dwarfism excluding Hateg Island? And could Prince Creek be counted as one?
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Furka
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Tethyshadros, Europasaurus, and the various fauna from Pleistocene Mediterranean islands (dwarf elephants and hippos living together with giant swans and tortoises).
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BossMan, Jake
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So I have this project involving Morrison Formation Fauna I have a list of animals with sizes, could someone double check them to make sure I'm updated with correct measurements? (These are the max sized possible for clarification)

Allosaurus: 32 feet long, 2.5 tons
Torvosaurus: 35 feet long, 4.5 tons
Saurophanganax: 43 feet long, 5 tons
Ceratosaurus: 18 feet long, 1800 pounds
Camptosaurus: 18 feet long, 1.5 tons
S. Stenops: 24 feet long, 3 tons
S. Ungulatus: 32 feet long, 7 tons
Diplodocus: 110 feet long, 20 tons
Brachiosaurus: 82 feet long, 62 tons
C. Lentus: 52 feet long, 25 tons
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DinoBear
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Maximums can be very tricky with these guys, given the relatively low sample sizes we have for some of them.

Your typical Torvosaurus seems to be fairly light, maybe around the same weight as the run of the mill Allosaurus. It is long and big headed, but is VERY slim. All of Saurophaganax's material would probably give it the measurements Torvo used to have, 35 feet and 4-ish tons. The largest Allosaurus also seem to reach the same lengths as Sauro, but given the sample size differences the given max seems reasonable but no fossils indicate something of that size (not that it couldn't have existed).

The one adult Ceratosaurus we have seems to be a bit bigger than listed, but with 1 specimen things can get super wonky.
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was there any animal- not counting early humans that could take on a glyptodont? note: the counter to mentioned animal can be from any time era
Edited by 54godamora, Oct 19 2016, 06:35 PM.
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