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| Topic Started: Nov 26 2013, 10:24 PM (193,249 Views) | |
| TheToastinator | Jan 16 2017, 07:33 PM Post #3676 |
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Was the quadruped Spinosaurus theory ever officially debunked? I read that it was, but I'm not entirely sure. |
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| TheNotFakeDK | Jan 16 2017, 07:53 PM Post #3677 |
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If by "officially debunked" you mean that it was tested and proven to be biomechanically implausible with a formal publication declaring it as such, no. But the original paper didn't really prove it was a quadruped in the first place, the authors just assumed so without looking into it any further and never did any tests to see if it would actually work at all. All the arguments for them (North African spinosaurs) being quadrupedal have been countered, and seeing as how we still have barely any arm material from them, we can't really check for any adaptations for standing and moving quadrupedally. It is more parsimonious then to assume they weren't quadrupeds, in the absence of any good, damning reason to think so. |
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Jan 16 2017, 09:12 PM Post #3678 |
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has the sinking of Oxalaia into Spinosaurus been proposed officially yet? I know it's been suggested multiple times but just curious if there's been anything else on it as of late. |
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| DinoBear | Jan 16 2017, 09:32 PM Post #3679 |
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To my knowledge, it hasn't yet. Given its fragmentary nature and the Spinosaurus situation being what it is, probably going to take some time. |
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| BossMan, Jake | Jan 17 2017, 12:03 AM Post #3680 |
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From what I can read all the Oxalaia material is just a few pieces of jaw bone so how the idea it had a spinosaurus like sail in the first place strikes me as odd and rushed at most. I understand speciesism but still it seems like quite a stretch. So you'd be better off considering them both separate genuses unless more material from Oxalaia would turn up |
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| stargatedalek | Jan 17 2017, 12:24 AM Post #3681 |
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That's silly. I have a snout from a housecat and a snout from a bobcat, and I can tell them apart. There is no difference at all between Spinosaurus and Oxalaia. |
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| BossAggron | Jan 17 2017, 12:49 AM Post #3682 |
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Formerly Dilophoraptor
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This states a good argument for "Spinosaurus quilombensis" |
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| TheNotFakeDK | Jan 17 2017, 04:59 AM Post #3683 |
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Given the current state of spinosaurs in North Africa, I think it's best to avoid formally synonymising Oxalaia with any thing for the time being (it could be a South American Sigilmassasaurus for all we know).
Edited by TheNotFakeDK, Jan 17 2017, 08:19 AM.
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| DinoBear | Jan 17 2017, 06:44 AM Post #3684 |
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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the go to snout for Spinosaurus, MSNM v4047, doesn't actually belong to Spinosaurus at all. |
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| stargatedalek | Jan 17 2017, 12:57 PM Post #3685 |
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At this point it feels like the only reason Sigilmassasaurus hasn't even been sunk is just so people can use it to argue against things they don't want to be a part of Spinosaurus. The two animals are so ridiculously similar it's silly to have them in separate genera. |
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| Incinerox | Jan 17 2017, 04:35 PM Post #3686 |
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Characteristics of the vertebrae suggest Sigilmassasaurus is more closely related to Ichthyovenator than it is to Spinosaurus. That's why it's not been sunk. |
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| stargatedalek | Jan 17 2017, 05:06 PM Post #3687 |
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I'm not slow! That's just my moe!
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This is news to me to say the least. So a lot of the proportional similarities between them are more likely convergence because of genetically similar creatures attaining similar niches? |
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| Fireplume | Jan 17 2017, 06:49 PM Post #3688 |
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Probably stupid question, but keratin/another horn-like material likely covered the spikes on Stegosauridae, right? |
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Jan 17 2017, 07:20 PM Post #3689 |
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yes. Stegosaur plates are derived from modified scales, and I'm willing to bet their spikes are as well, so it would make sense for them to be covered in keratin like regular scales. |
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| Fireplume | Jan 17 2017, 07:26 PM Post #3690 |
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Alright, wanted to make sure before I coloured it hahaha |
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