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The many lies of hunters
Topic Started: Jan 6 2014, 05:19 PM (5,448 Views)
Jules
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SlenderRex
Jan 6 2014, 05:19 PM
I know I've been through this many times
Then why the f*ck do you bring it up again, especially when we've explained why your argumentation was flawed already?
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Crookedjaw
Jan 7 2014, 02:04 PM
SlenderRex
Jan 6 2014, 05:19 PM
I know I've been through this many times
Then why the f*ck do you bring it up again, especially when we've explained why your argumentation was flawed already?
I brought it up because I'm passionate about it, It's my lifelong goal to put an end to this bloodlust, and I hope to achive it one day. c:
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

If you end all hunting, you will practically ensure the inevitable extinction of several species when poachers continue to hunt them illegally but then without any benefits like you get with regulated hunting, such as the protection and the making certain there will always be more of these animals around to hunt, ensuring they do not go extinct and thus fair better than they would without the regulated hunting.

In an ideal world we wouldn't hunt them at all but we do not live in an ideal world. It's a lesser of two evils sort of thing and it's just not possible, considering humans exist, to make it much better.
Edited by Sheather, Jan 7 2014, 04:02 PM.
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I think we could stop poachers though. All it would take would be hiring park rangers to protect animal habitats and severe punishments such as heavy fines. That should discourage them.
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Jules
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The fines are like a tenth of what they earn by hunting endangered species and selling their BS on the black market. I think jail would work better.
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Mastodon28
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I meant really huge fines like 500,000 dollars, but I agree putting them in jail would work better.
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Sheather
Jan 7 2014, 03:56 PM
If you end all hunting, you will practically ensure the inevitable extinction of several species when poachers continue to hunt them illegally but then without any benefits like you get with regulated hunting, such as the protection and the making certain there will always be more of these animals around to hunt, ensuring they do not go extinct and thus fair better than they would without the regulated hunting.

In an ideal world we wouldn't hunt them at all but we do not live in an ideal world. It's a lesser of two evils sort of thing and it's just not possible, considering humans exist, to make it much better.
I don't mean all hunting, I mean the hunting of animals that don't need to be hunted (Big cats, wolves, rhinos) it's just a waste of magnificent animals.
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Mastodon28
Jan 7 2014, 04:10 PM
I think we could stop poachers though. All it would take would be hiring park rangers to protect animal habitats and severe punishments such as heavy fines. That should discourage them.
Stop here. If even death sentence doesn't deter to crime, how would immensive fines or jail do so? You have to remind that poachers have practically NOTHING. There is almost no other way to survive other than to poach (well, there are others, but in the African bush, these are either too few and/or insufficient). Fines and jail won't help, getting them better living conditions will help.

And tbh, those bad conditions are solely the fault of the West(ern governments).
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Slender. Before you abolish hunting. You need to abolish poverty.
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Hamikins
Jan 7 2014, 06:25 PM
Slender. Before you abolish hunting. You need to abolish poverty.
Read my previous post, I didn't say all hunting.
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Jan 7 2014, 04:50 PM
I don't mean all hunting, I mean the hunting of animals that don't need to be hunted (Big cats, wolves, rhinos) it's just a waste of magnificent animals.
big cats and wolves can be hunted if they get in conflict with local populations.
as for rhinos, when they were abundant people used to hunt them for food, as the hump of white rhinos was considered a delicacy (sadly we don't have as many rhinos for that anymore). and then there's the overpopulation thing again ...

a problem with poaching, however, is that sometimes it isn't a matter of poverty. here in Italy, where we have a strong hunting tradition, there's plenty of people who poach just because they see it as their right to hunt.
if an animal is tasty, it usually gets eaten here ...
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Furka
Jan 7 2014, 07:09 PM
SlenderRex
Jan 7 2014, 04:50 PM
I don't mean all hunting, I mean the hunting of animals that don't need to be hunted (Big cats, wolves, rhinos) it's just a waste of magnificent animals.
big cats and wolves can be hunted if they get in conflict with local populations.
as for rhinos, when they were abundant people used to hunt them for food, as the hump of white rhinos was considered a delicacy (sadly we don't have as many rhinos for that anymore). and then there's the overpopulation thing again ...

a problem with poaching, however, is that sometimes it isn't a matter of poverty. here in Italy, where we have a strong hunting tradition, there's plenty of people who poach just because they see it as their right to hunt.
if an animal is tasty, it usually gets eaten here ...
That's just what I hate, people killing something just because they can.
When I ment big cats and wolves, there's the exception of problem animals.
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Exactly. When a wolf or puma starts attacking humans and preying on local livestock, hunting them is really the only option.
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CyborgIguana
Jan 7 2014, 07:24 PM
Exactly. When a wolf or puma starts attacking humans and preying on local livestock, hunting them is really the only option.
Exactly, in the case of big cats or wolves, only problem animals should be put down.
As for megafauna with no natural predators, I just think it's a waste of life to kill them for fun, especially if that species comes close to the intellegence of man.
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but Elephants can be quite problematic animals too. especially if they learn to associate humans with food, because then they won't stop looking from food in urbanized environments.
I remember this case of an elephant that once found a banana inside a car,so he started smashing every car searchng for bananas until he was put down. Not to mention the damage an elephant (let alone a herd of them) can do to crops, and the fact that they don't appreciate when farmers try to defend their properties ...
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