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Do you like cats or dogs?
Topic Started: Jan 10 2014, 03:49 PM (4,770 Views)
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Raziel
Jan 11 2014, 08:17 PM
Racoons travel in packs which have easily killed large animals that a individual shouldn't.
and coyotes weren't actually native to Indiana before our game warden decided to bring them back to hunt deer, which they fail to due with rabbits and cats running around.
It is also a bit weird that you say they were imported into Indiana to hunt deer. Coyotes are to small to be able to hunt deer. They might catch a fawn once in a while, but most of the time, the coyote gets chased of by the mother deer ;)
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I haven't found anything suporting that information, i don't think people brought back the coyotes to hunt deer :)

"Coyotes were considered rare or uncommon in Indiana until the early 1970s. Since then, they have shown their ability to adapt to the Hoosier landscape in increasing numbers and will continue to persist with little human assistance. Hunting and trapping should continue to be actively pursued as a method of population control. When livestock depredations do occur, it should be recognized that problem coyotes should be considered unwelcome members of the native Indiana wildlife community."

From this site
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Knertje2208
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It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.

Sheather
Jan 11 2014, 02:40 AM
Cats should always be kept indoors and allowed outdoors only with supervision, particularly in regions with threatened native small animals. Indoor cats live much longer and are not inherently unhappy.
our cat loves to be outside and is perfectly healthy. his fur is amazingly soft because of the winter! He doesn't have supervision when he is outside. so I disagree cats shouldn't be kept indoors. they are still natural preditors. have you ever seen a lion hunting indoor?
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But it totally depends on where you live. I live in Sweden and nothing here can be a threat to a cat (maybe badgers but it's uncommon..) so my cat too is outdoors when she wants.

But in some countries, there are a lot of animals that kill domestic pets - for example the coyote. So for the cats saftey, they should be kept inside or outside with supervision! :)
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Knertje2208
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It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.

well, here in the netherlands there is no animal which can kill a cat. cars don't drive near my house. the only danger is the train track, but there is a moat between our house and the train track (luckily)
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Knertje2208
Jan 12 2014, 04:55 PM
have you ever seen a lion hunting indoor?
Lion: 200 and more kg of Super predator with no natural threats (and likely illegal to keep in most countries).

Domestic cat: a small, dumb furball (not a natural predator) which could be killed by a lot of natural and human factors (the latter being more likely given how close to urban environments cats live).
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Knertje2208
Jan 12 2014, 05:45 PM
well, here in the netherlands there is no animal which can kill a cat. cars don't drive near my house. the only danger is the train track, but there is a moat between our house and the train track (luckily)
Well, lucky for you, you don't have to worry about your cats safety. But if it was dangerous for your cat to be outside, i guess you'd probably consider making her/him an indoor cat. And many cats are happy that way, too. A cat is not a natural predator, they are domestic and totally dependent on humans, so you can't really compare a cat with a lion ;)
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I LIKE KITTY KATS
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Sheather
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Thank you for the set, Azrael!

Cats kill native animals and are a destructive invasive species. That is why they should not go outside unsupervised, even if predators are absent, they ARE a predator.
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

Agree. Look at what happened to Stephens Island Wren after cats were introduced into their habitat....


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Furka
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dogs can be dangerous to native animals too, although not as much as cats.
not to mention, they can be dangerous for people too.
so I don't agree with free roaming dogs too.
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eternal finessé

Stray dogs in harsh conditions turn rabid, and therefore, semi-wolves.

Jungle cats in our city killed an average of 24 human babies in the city, and cross breeding within domestic and wild ones, result in furious street cats. An average of 240 sparrows killed in last decade.

All animals have the power to evolve, either mentally or physically.
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Orchid
Jan 13 2014, 07:21 AM
Jungle cats in our city killed an average of 24 human babies in the city, and cross breeding within domestic and wild ones, result in furious street cats.
What species do you mean? Felis chaus?
The children should have been tasty, with soft delicate bones and blubber.
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Cat's could never survive without humans here. But it's due to winter, many feral cats freeze to death in the winter. At the cat shelter, we have many cat's who has lost bodyparts in the cold.. :/
But I can imagine that in warmer countries, feral cats must be a problem. They reproduce very quickly!
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

Yes, they are out problem here. Many cat owners don't spray their cats and let them go out. For their cats start to breed uncontrollable, they ignored them. Once the kitten growed up as freal cats they started to breed. This happened over and ocer again in my village. Now we have plenty of feral cats.

We must thanks pythons and water monitors alot that they help decrease the cats number. However, some people don't like that. It's quite annoying hear them discuss about their favorite feral cat permanent disappearance like this..

"Hey! Have you seen Spotty? She has disappeared for a week."

"Me neither, I think she was eaten by monitor lizard."

"Evil creature! We should destroy em all, so the little fluffy cats could be safe!"

And yes, they are talking about FERAL cats, the cat that they don't even own....

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