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Do you like cats or dogs?
Topic Started: Jan 10 2014, 03:49 PM (4,769 Views)
izzibob
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In NZ, wild dogs are a serious threat, killing in some cases around (I think) 200 kiwi in one night.

I have a cat and he goes outside, but he doesn't hunt. At all. I had some fish in an outdoor pond, and he didn't give them a second look. he even drank out of their pond xD so while some cats should be kept indoors I agree, I think it depends on the individual.
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Hamikins
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You will respect my authoratah.

You mean all dogs in NZ. yes. But only wild dogs, which arn't fed and are starving. Cats, who are fed, can escape the back yard and each kill 65 animals per year.

The thing is is that people here like to open windows more then people in the U.S. as well. You guys use air conditioning.

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Cats have contributed to the extinction of 9 native bird species [3].

Cats impact on 33 endangered native bird species [4].

One feral cat killed 102 endangered native short tail bats in a week [5].

Cats kill native birds. In our cities domestic cats kill native birds faster than they can possibly breed [6].

Around 40% of New Zealand’s native land-birds are already extinct, and of the ones remaining 37% are endangered. [7]

Cats arn't worth it at all. At least keep them indoors aswell.

EDIT I'm sory but this:


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I'm not afraid to use the word 'evil' to describe cats. Click on the link below to see a cat in action, torturing a beautiful fully protected native bird -- the Cardinal -- in the USA. Note how it keeps the Cardinal alive while it looks for a suitable place to torture and dismember it. The bird screams with pain while the cat slowly tears its back feathers off, then gradually rips into its flesh, but the cat is enjoying it and still wants to keep it alive for the pure sadistic pleasure of it -- the cat is not hungry and has no intention of eating the bird -- and note how the bird is still alive when it is nothing but a torn up bloody hunk of flesh, and the cat looks down at it with satisfaction as the innocent creature still cries out for help, then instead of having the mercy to actually kill the sweet creature, the cat walks coldly away from it so the bird can suffer in hellish agony. I call that EVIL. Be sure to watch to the end and see what the cat owners (who also fit the definition of 'evil' in my book) have to say about the bird and their beloved cat. Enjoy the video, all you cat lovers. This is YOUR cat. Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPOEEsj7Dxo


I know it is nature. But that is pathetic.
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Many cat owners allow their cats to bring the live birds into the house and torture it at their leisure. Here's a video of such a cat owner who watches her cat torture and kill a lovely bird in the bathtub of their home. She thought it was so cute that she got out her video camera to film it. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3SZEjL6dk


If there is hell, she is going to it.

There are many posts like this:


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everybody harm every bird you see if he kills your cats or even better hang this guy. (Anti cat lobbyist)




listen sweet heart...no body wants to kill your cat. You've missed something here.


Arguements like this:

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Birds are clearly just an inferior species. Let natural selection work!


WTF

Cat lovers arn't exactly doing anthing for themselves.
Edited by Hamikins, Jan 14 2014, 04:54 AM.
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fridooh
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But wait, hamikins, what are you trying to say? I know cats have done harm to many species, but so has dogs. Cats kill birds and mice, it's nature. My cat does it too, she is the nicest cat ever but yes, she is a killer.. It's nature, all cat species hunt and catch live pray. The person letting the cat torture a bird, I have nothing good to say.. It's just cruel and awful.. I've saved many mice and birds from my cat, I would never let her torture them in front of me :(
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Jules
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But cats kill for the pure pleasure of killing, while dogs will not kill just for pleasure. IIRC, only domestic cats, dolphins and men kill for pleasure.
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Hamikins
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You will respect my authoratah.

I was trying to gather unbiased evidence... I try not to bother with my opinion...
Edited by Hamikins, Jan 14 2014, 12:36 PM.
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fridooh
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You wouldn't bother anyone with your opinion :)
Yea, cats do kill for pleasure. At least domestic cats who hunt birds and mice. I think they find it fun hunting, I don't think they like the killing part. My cat usually brings a mouse home and plays with it, trying to catch it over and over. It's not often she actually kills an animal
:)
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Robbie
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●■♥WHY?♥■●

I can't seem to choose. xD So both. :P
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Mathius Tyra
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Rat snake is love... Rat snake is life

I think that cats kill prey for pleasure is caused by humans have fed them well, so that they aren't hungry enough to eat. However, their killing instinct still remain, so they keep killing and killing but don't hungry enough to eat its prey.

This behavior doesn't happpen only with cats, but also many hyperactive predators such as stoat, weasel, mink and otter as well, actually, most active predators that smart enough to know the word "fun".
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hananas59
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Evolving creatures from earth.

For both as theyre both adorable an in the wild awesome
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Hamikins
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You will respect my authoratah.

One theory is that cats think they are still kittens and are 'practicing' killing for when they are older and independant.

And I try not to bother with my own opinion.

But here:

No it's not cat's I dislike the most. It is certain cat lovers.

Oh yeah, say that really of handly, they 'play' with animals. Did you watch that video? Desensitized people.

Well, my opinion is that people have very stupid ideas about cats, and a few about dogs. I think cat's should have never been domesticated. And they should be 'phased out'.

And anyway, I get from how you talk that you think all preditors are like this. Well I'm not surprised if they are. Then I'll dispise them all. Even if they are oh so cute. I know, I foreign concept.

You can tell I'm so angury after watching that video. I will never forget it.

EDIT: Actually reading my post again sounds like I'm not that. But I am.
Edited by Hamikins, Jan 14 2014, 02:14 PM.
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Stephen
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Jan 13 2014, 04:01 AM
Agree. Look at what happened to Stephens Island Wren after cats were introduced into their habitat....


AHHH They even killed the wrens on my island??? Dem be evil, those cats.
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Hamikins
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You will respect my authoratah.

Well, It's not there fult. Completely ours. I have to say.

OMG I JUST GOT IT
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Furka
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Hunt-killing and eating are two separate instinct, triggered by different baits (eating is driven by hunger, hunting by sight).
and even if the cat doesn't want to kill the prey, the damage it does to it while playing is often too serious for the small animals to handle.
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Elephas Maximus
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On conclusion:
Every uncontrolled cat or dog is a predator that causes disbalance in the environment due to benefits from being supported and loved by naked apes.
They're being fed, housed, bred, treated in case of trauma/disease, introduced to new habitats, and have enough roots in popular culture to became anthropomorphised (this often saves their lives, so one cannnot simply kill a stray cat that eats chickens, because there's similar beloved cat at home)
Edited by Elephas Maximus, Jan 14 2014, 03:16 PM.
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doublepost
Edited by Elephas Maximus, Jan 14 2014, 03:15 PM.
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